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    911R project Australia

    Greetings!!!!!

    I am new to this forum. I have posted an idea of backdating a 964 to an early 911 but it would be a shame to chop up a 964 so instead I thought of doing the right thing and save an old 911. I have an idea of buying this car seeing that it is a 1966.
    Removing all the body work and putting on 911R parts. (or original setup)
    http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...?Cr=15&sdmvc=1

    This seems a cheaper alternative and also bringing an old car back to its rough beginnings. Any thoughts? Look like lots of work but all for the right reasons. Has anyone been down this path before. Any help would be helpful.

    Also I have seen at a glance you can buy the rear qtr's from overseas but do they sell them in Australia. I am not fussed where I get the parts from as long as they have TOP customer service and are priced fair. It is all about service in my opinion.

    Cheers

    Jim

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    Welcome Jim, your carsales link is busted but if it's http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...?Cr=15&sdmvc=1 you should know that by the VIN that's originally a 912. That shouldn't matter if you're just looking for a cheap base to turn into an R clone.

    SWB cars are pretty thin on the ground and tightly held when found. I believe one of the typ901 registry guys has an R inspired car based on a 66 for sale, unless you're in it for the project it might pay to take a look.

    For sale ad is here: http://www.typ901.org/showthread.php?t=4511 but you may not be able to view pictures without being a member.

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    Man that is a very nice car. Can't see the other pics. Although it is tempting as hell I think I would prefer to put myself through the pain and suffering of building my own. I may regret saying that. What price is the going rate for a clapped out 911? If there is any out there?
    Last edited by Cairns888; 12-01-2013 at 01:52 PM.

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    Oh another coupe of questions. If I purchased a 912 and put a 3.0l in it. That would be going from a 4 cyl to a 6 cyl. I have no info at this time on engine allowances without engineering approval. Can someone just give it to me in black and white.....please. I am not 100% sure on what engine at the moment but is it as easy as just fitting a bigger engine (professionally) of course. Or do you need a phone book sized engineers report.

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    Hi Jim

    No car will ever be cheaper than the one built by someone else - seriously.

    Using a 964 to backdate doesn't work - not cleanly anyway, and you can pretty much always spot them.

    The 911R is based on the SWB (short wheel base) cars. They are getting much rarer now and prices are soaring accordingly. But yes you can still find the odd abortion out there that was caught up in the 80's Gordon Gecko madness These abominations deserve some sort of restoration back to their former glory, though not all are truly worth the time and effort. And none will recoup the cost - you just need to understand that.

    Building a 'hotrod' these days is almost and sometimes more expensive than restoring to original condition. If you use the 66 car (please check its numbers to ensure it's not something rare or worthy of resoration). Also becareful that it's not a scam - these cars are really starting to soar price wise and the scammers are coming out in droves. The SWB cars have subtle but very different body work, you're best bet may be to source fibre glass replacement panels as original steel is really going to cost.

    There are good operators and suppliers here in Australia, but the market is very small, so most diversify into many aspects of business (parts supply, restoration, repairs etc...). Price, Service and Quality - pick any two (one will always suffer).

    Seriously, unless you're into these cars for love, have a decent garage and tools, and enjoy restoring old cars (to a decent standard); buy someone else's project and you'll be enjoying actually driving these things

    On the typ901.org register, there has been some good and robust discussion on price recently. The collective concensus is that $40k is about the minimum you'll get into an early 911 that won't rust out from under you, or cost $20k to get back on the road.
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    Thanks for all that great info. I really appreciate your time to help out.
    Yes I have a garage full of tools and a heart, drive and passion to dig into a massive project. I have had some info that backs your statement regarding the 964 back date and what a MASSIVE pain in the bum it is. So really the 912 sounds like a better option by the minute. That red one advertised (why would you do that in the first place)

    I could cut all the panels off. Replace with steel or frp and sell all the wheels parts etc etc and try and get a good tub to start with. Get it back to a similar original condition. I like the look of 911R and the weight can be up a little bit if a bigger engine is used. I don't think anyone who really loves cars are in it for the money. If you make money which is rare then even better but you can lose 30k on a new four wheel drive in 2 years. That feeling you get when you drive your project around the block the first time with blistered, cut hands and a back ache is worth it all. I will join the typ901.org when I get home in a few days and have a look at all the info on there.
    I am still in the planning stage as I always like to have everything roughly sorted before I start and that way I know the budget so I can double it. ha ha

    Thanks again.

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    A love of these old cars is really all you need If you're treating the $$ as part of enjoying a hobby (like most of us do) they you'll be fine.

    Rust is the single biggest determining factor in the value of these cars. Mark my word, there will be rust in a 40+ 911 chassis somewhere if it has not had attention since it rolled off the line. I'd take a rust free T over a rusty S any day (and actually made this decision earlier this year). Try and buy a complete car - sourcing "odds and ends" is prohibitively expensive without a donor car. You will spend $5-7k on panels of which a lot is likely to be shipping

    I would expect a well restored car to have about $40-50k invested in bodywork and mechanicals whether it's an original car or a hotrod - the work is the same.

    It actually makes Phil's car (pictured above) good value. I think he's asking about $85k

    Or Alan's car here http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d.../?Cr=3&sdmvc=1 is exceptional value when you factor in the work.
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    Alan's car does indeed look like a great buy, any idea why it appears to have LWB torsion bar position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajwans View Post
    Alan's car does indeed look like a great buy, any idea why it appears to have LWB torsion bar position?

    andy
    From memory it was done before Alan got the car - but it was done well and he's left it for the time being.
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    Is Alan a guy on this forum? I would like to know more about this car. Thanks Jim

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