Here you go. Good for your's too!
-Allen-
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Here you go. Good for your's too!
-Allen-
Thanks Allen. Can you please post a photo with all of the tools in their respective slots.
Could I ask what toolkit this is? It came in my car which is wrong so looking to find someone who may want this? Looks a bit mix and match to me...
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The pliers, the long screwdriver and the box end are wrong. I can't tell from the photos about the wrenches; take new ones and let's see.
Check for more details from the thread. Thanks.
-Allen-
I see four items Porsche tool kit.
1. 19mm lug
2. Bag
3. Klein 21 spark plug wrench
4. Allen if marked properly
FWIW - Here's another 901 bag that looks exactly the same as the one in this pic. Much thicker and smoother vinyl than on later bags that I've seen. This one came with an Aug 64 dated phoenix fan belt and the 12mm allen, etc. so I'm pretty sure it was originally delivered with a 901 (or at least a 64 911).
Sure. The zoomed out photos I took are blurry but I have some good detail photos that I haven't seen on the web that can probably add some new knowledge and detail to this thread...
I have owned several thick smooth vinyl 356 C tool bags; maroon, dark brown, black, and orange colors. Most were very stiff where they were folded and you cannot keep them open like the thinner version vinyl bags. Yours looks like a 356 C tool bag with the flap above the clasps. Later 911 rivet bags did not have that flap, 356 C tool bags had the flap. I was told that very early 911 tool bags had the flaps too. I was looking at a picture of SWB tool bags I have to check yours against and see none of my rivet bags have those flaps at the clasp locations.
Phoenix belts don't lie, yours is a very early 911 tool kit and it is an original tool bag.
Hi Cem,
The bag above is a 901 Bag, I'm sure. I don't see ANY bags you have that are 901 or, come to think of it. a 356C bag either. Perhaps, my eye deceive? Thanks.
-Allen-
Hi Allen,
The picture did not come up clear. The two bags above the red interior one are riveted. The one in the middle of the picture is another riveted one also. Thanks.
I don't see tabs. The 901 had tabs. Thanks.
-Allen-
The quite rare PORSCHE marked 17/19 has different overall dimensions c.f. the SSS that is also 17/19. Happened to have these examples laid side by side and noticed so took this photo.
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Look what I found. It is actually the 3rd I've found in about 10 years ! Thanks.
-Allen-
That one is mint and the nicest I have ever seen!
Richard
Very nice indeed
I put a measure against this spanner as the PORSCHE branded originals like this 17/19mm survivor were only used for a short period. Don’t see them often so thought comparison might be of interest to some folks. Quantifies the visually obvious difference in size:
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Photo of toolkit as were around end calendar 1971 — date estimate is based on tne original Phoenix belt having date that decodes to October 1971. Think this was the toolkit configuration typically used until the end of calendar 72 when it superseded by the one in my early 73 car with reversible driver and tie bag.
Being surplus to my needs I took it to a Porsche swap meet yesterday so took these snaps when to hand for this reference thread.
Clasp bag for those interested in the discussin in variation of that dimension is 40cm the 19mm tapered end lug wrench measures about 36cm to bend so it does fit inside
Afiak this kit is as it came out of the car; it is not a put together kit or cleaned up so posting as an as-found reference. The fuse pack is missing unless lurking in depths of a pocket. Not sure a towel was part of kit or not.
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Probably nothing much new to learn from photo except that by that date derived from the belt the plug tool was evidently taper not square (not sure if this thread has determined when the taper superseded the square already?)
Didn’t sell at the friendly air-cooled Porsche annual swap-meet event that Angus and his Greatworth team do so well with DDK for charity . Done with great spirit and the comradeship tradition of the old school Porsche British swap-meets that some of us remember fondly despite the monsoon weather that visits each year just for the meet.
So going into storage along with the jack — which i was told yesterday are quite hard to find by someone who had restored then sold one recently.
Steve
Looks right !
-Allen-
This is the first time I am seeing a 1973.5 tool bag with light color interior. JUSIN lettering is somewhat visible. Has anyone seen one before? I have owned 15+ dark color interior 1973.5 tool bags before, never this color.
Thank you for the feedback in advance.
Cem
Cem,
Note your bag is a 73.5 one while the poster posted a "pre-73.5 bag"
-Allen-
Cem,
You posted a bag with JUSIN on a light colored interior. His bag is a earlier bag. I do not think the earlier bag has any color from what is posted. Let's see if anyone offers more. Thanks.
-Allen-
Thanks Allen. I wasn't replying to another person. I was asking if anyone seen one like this one or know the history of these bags. 1973.5 tool bags (string or snap) has darker color interior. I wonder if this lighter color interior bag is a manufacturing flaw or they came with some specific cars. For example I have a teal interior SWB tool bag that was specially for 912 models from what a friend told me. I have never seen another one of those teal interior bags, similar case for this bag. Any feedback will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Cem
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What year is this toolkit correct for?
Btw one of those plastic tarps reads “Goodrich”.
Richard
It's for a 1975+ (not sure of the year but not SWB or LWB). Thanks.
-Allen-
Decided to include photos of my 1972 bag and contents…
It is a 1978 tool kit. I have seen them used in 1977 models if the car got sold late. But it is a 1978 tool kit to be perfectly correct, which I do not believe in being this strict unlike many experts.
Is it for sale by any chance, I would like to add it to my collection.
Thanks,
Cem
Thank you.
I might contact you later.
Richard
Anything for my buddy Anthony :) Hope all is well.
Look what I have in Picture #4, took me 2 years but I found one. You are the only other person that I know that has one. Had to buy a lot of tools and bags just to get it.
Do we know when the change to the HAPEWE pliers in 1971 had been.
These two late 71 toolbags (https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...=1#post1136669) (https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...=1#post1139372) show both the HAPEWE version.
I haven’t read all 44 pages of this but my take on swb bag progression is this, smooth with rivet clasps and pull tags then same without pull tags then fine linen, then ribbed with either horizontal or vertical prominent rib orientation then back to smooth and the infamous 68 elephant hide. There are exceptions of course for whatever reasons. Linen texture is not ribbed texture.
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The color (if any)on the buttons seems to vary over the years. Is that a correct observation and if so what is the evolution?
Richard
I agree with Allen on those Hapewe pliers. I am 100% sure that specific type was in 1973.5 tool kits, also 1974-75 tool kits. I have seen them in very late LWB tool kits but I wouldn't call them LWB pliers. There is another type of Hapewe pliers that pre-date those in the pictures, I have seen them in earlier tool kits.
Allen, I actually just saw this and thought I would respond, sorry for the 5 year delay, we had another boy and girl during this time which keeps me on my toes.=)
I can't be 100% sure these DIN Wrenches were original to the kit however I can be 98%. I found a 72 911S Targa under a tarp on a driveway in Miami. The car was in quite poor shape but luckily the owner for some reason put the toolkit in his garage saving it from the weather. The Serial number was 9112310962, the gentleman was the original owner and an attorney. He did NOT work on his own cars and this was his only Porsche. He drove as a daily driver until it broke at which point he put a tarp over it and left it in the driveway. I cannot see anyway this guy would have changed the wrenches, though not impossible, I'd say it is insanely improbable.
I purchased the kit, added the towel and fuses to complete and sent to a friend with a 72 911S coupe Serial 9112300148 as he was missing his.
"Soterik" makes a funny comment a few posts down from yours which likely is exactly what happened. They ran out of wrenches during assembly of the kits and had to substitute. I've always been fascinated by the variations which can occur during manufacturing. It all comes down to "Don't stop the line". This is a huge point that judges miss when judging a hand assembled car. The possibility of anomalies must be factored in because the line could have made a quick on the fly variation to keep the line moving.
Even during assembly in very defined processes, when you add a human you will get variations.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank you for putting together this guideline. I've found it so helpful as I'm certain many others have. I'll continue to provide photos of kits from cars I believe to be original with the respective serial numbers for your reference.
All the best!
Ben
www.901motorsports.com
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Please identify what this bag goes to. Thanks!
Thank you!!
I believe the ones you were referring should not be in a LWB tool kit. But I have seen them in very late LWB tool kits. If the guy putting these tool kits together needed pliers, I would assume he didn't kill himself trying to find a "correct" one. There is no such thing as Porsche used this tool for that year this month, so when they were introduced is not a valid question in my opinion. Thanks.
Ben,
Thanks to all involved And another boy and girl too !
-Allen-
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/po...ra-rs-toolkit/
I don’t go to BAT much. How interesting to compare all contents to others posted here … small details that some who appreciate very small nuances here might find intriguing. A post on this thread is referenced.
Steve
This is a RS kit but the Open End are somewhat suspect although they are covered in an very early photo (supposedly for a photo op.)Thanks,
-Allen-
More questions than the din screwdrivers !
Holy Moly. I posted in this thread about 8 years ago, and it's still going. I feel like this whole thread can be condensed into a spreadsheet/chart with each tool type along one axis, each year along the other axis, and in the box it describes the variations that might be there.
I'm sure Allen has one already either on his computer or in his mind!
The screwdriver look totally correct ! Thanks.
-Allen-
Totally? While the photos are not great focus … do I see fluted v-notches in end nearest blade ? Perhaps the phrase” Curates egg” is more apt? Compare detail at end here to the photo on post #84 and others of the known correct handle. There are later red fluted v-notched handles kicking about as well as all manner of red handles from Germany I must have dozens of them but not all as found in Porsche toolkit end long-hood era
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Steve.
I see what you mean. Perhaps it is a substitute handle! Thanks
-Allen-
Maybe so? In addition to so many generic a red handles kicking around one with v-notches was provided in some much later era Porsche toolkits but they came with several interchangeable single ended blades — superficially that later handle looks similar but importantly it’s not the same as original uber-rare red handle used for a short while in latter part of 73 model. Also a few other questions … No Klein markings on Allen key? The plier design and markings? Hole in the fan holder?
Details matter.
Steve
I agree Steve.
Too Bag Gurus,
I posted a question a couple of days ago "Tool Bags - What is correct for a 67?"
I have read every single post on the forum and as a complete novice on tools and tool bags extrapolated every item mentioned on the forum relating to 1966/67 bags and tools, it took many hours but this is my understanding (only taken from members views)...
1. 1966/67 Bags don't have riveted clasps
2. 1966 bags have "fabric like texture" like a "pinpoint Oxford shirt material"
3. 1966 has a "fabric type bag with horizontal ribbing texture"
4 1966 "sometimes lines like material and sometimes red no ribbing"
5. Has red Tyre pressure gauge in plastic Messco Pouch
6. Has spark plug wrench that attaches to Allen wrench (square ends)
7. Has 5 wrenches - Large DROP FORGED Logo machined ends
8 has 2 Klien screwdrivers
9. 10mm drain plug up to VIN 301100 12mm thereafter
10. Pliers - Satin - raised oblong cutters - DROP Forged writing within the handles
11. P208 short pins
12. 19mm wheel wrench
The above is gleaned only from the forum, I have made no assumptions and have added zero knowledge, therefore from the resource provided I have many gaps !
What are the wrench sizes?
What type of Klien screwdrivers?
Which Bag? Ribbed, Oxford pinpoint, red interior?
Have I missed any tools (except towels and belts)?
It has been mentioned many times in the posts about a definitive (ish) depository/ spreadsheet showing year by year tool by tool, unfortunately this is an area where I have zero knowledge but presume the expertise as usual is held by members here.
Does anyone know what model year this tool kit bag is correct for?
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Hi Jesse,
I believe this is a 1969 (see post #70) although tool bags are not my specialty. Perhaps someone else may chime in. Thanks,
-Allen-
Thanks Allen! They look the same:l, although texture slightly different:
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The fan belt is dated February 1969. One year only 1969 tool bags had a darker interior color but this bag could be used in a 1969 model if you are not super picky. It would be correct for 1967 and 1968 models too. There are many versions of exterior vinyl type and pattern and interior vinyl color/pattern for 1967-69 tool bags.
Not many of these around, but the official 1966 tool bag.
1967 textured tool bag.
1967 ribbed tool bag.
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What year this would be correct you guys recon?
1968 tool bags had a variety of inside interior colors…putty, linen, light green, light tan.
12mm spark sockets were only available for the very early '65 MY. Not sure up to what VIN # though. BTW, I am looking for one if anyone has one they are looking to part with...here is my tool bag that came with #300338...
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I’m having trouble attaching the link to Bring a Trailer but I have this one listed there. All tools original and in very nice condition.
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Wow! Wow! Wow!
Does anyone know for what year tool kit this Allen Wrench is correct?
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1 1R 911 SW10 KLEIN GERMANY
some 72's and full year 73