OK... lets see some pics of those cool frames... Vasek, Oceanside, Hoffman...
Unobtainium, I know, but if anyone has a Vasek Polak frame for sale, please PM me.
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OK... lets see some pics of those cool frames... Vasek, Oceanside, Hoffman...
Unobtainium, I know, but if anyone has a Vasek Polak frame for sale, please PM me.
:) :) :) :eek:
:p :p :p :p
if any one knows where i can get a stoddards one, let me know!!
hmmm.. or a max hoffman one would be interesting as well..
thanks
Harry Hoffman
Sam -
That's disgusting ! - that you have a car like that AND the plate frames. (do you know if it was orig. sold from there ?)
Oh yeah, nice work (pic#2)
the plate frames I picked up when a local repair shop that was going out of business, there were thirty guys sifting through boxes of stuff and someone happened to mention the name Vasek Polak and at that point it clicked in my brain that there was a set of frames over on this guys wall so I walked over and grabbed them off the wall and took them over to the owner and asked how much? well he looked at me and said give me twenty bucks, needless to say at that point everyone else is asking, do you have any more and of course the answer was no.
every once in a while you just get lucky
my 67 was picked up at Zuffenhausen by the original owner
Oh why don't I see anything wrong with the picture of Sammy's car, have I bin out in the Casinos all nite again, and am I that jaded not to care anymore, that it is just a normal picture of a 911 and not a car from Toon Town....next I'll be seeing Bo Hoskins hanging with a Animated Babe that sounds like Kathleen Turner
:rolleyes: ;) :D
Hey Tom. Since Stoddard is in Ohio I think it is only fitting that it be on an Ohio car!
Did I mention I am in Ohio................. :rolleyes: ;)
cornpanzer, dont forget, im from ohio too (remember we met at the taj ma garaj show in june)
Tom,
if its for sale, PM me
Looking for a Chick Iverson Porsche trim ring.....
Regards,
Eric Linden
elinden@earthlink.net
How about the one and only real Porsche personalized California plate to wrap it around?
Looks like Peter & Sheryl Dunkels Carrera 2 'bubble car' ... they keep it in one of those air bubble car covers in their museum... wonderful car
I'm still look'n for an original Circle Porsche/Audi - Long Beach frame...
Sithot,
Forget those Ohio guys, the Stoddard frame you have deserves to be on a car that was actually restored and brought back to it original condition there!
I might be able to think of one. ;)
Thanks,
TKO,
maybe not a full resto, but mine had a total repaint & body work (ie any dings or minor rust repairs), suspension completley gone through to be made like new there in 84 :) :p
Harry,
Darn, you got me!
Cheers,
Tom, how 'bout that Stoddard frame for the one-and-only plate in Vermont?!:cool:
Looks like SWB SAM's frame is one from the early days.
Mine is from the last days of the dealership. I went there to get a t-shirt, which were all sold out. The parts guy gave me a frame. He told me to "hold on to it"
The original dealer plate frame got me thinking.
How many cars still have the original crest on the hood? I know there are alot of repros, I know one NOS went for some serious money :eek:
How common is the original crest today?
no pic on file...but yeah, I have the original crest...don't think it's ever been off the car.
So that's it so far in vintage dealer frame reference? We GOTTA do better than this! (Sam's brilliant frames excluded of course).
Ray, is the newer Vasek frame plastic or metal?
Paul, either you secretly have that car painted every month, or that color shifts like the San Andreas in different light. Love the matching garbage can :D . How much would the value go down if you removed and re-installed that crest?
Pile of reciepts for "Tourist Delivery" from Max Moritz GMBH. My cars original owner flew to Germany for delivery. I have the round German plate and the 30 day temporary registration that goes with. I also have the stack of letters and shipping info that follows the car onboard the ship to California.
No plate frames though. :mad: Shawn.
edit: yeah, wholy crap, Pauls car does keep gettin' better looking. Sweet Bench mark. S.
Actually, you're very close Chuck...yes, this is Dunkels' C-2. However the "bubble car" (aka "pheasant under glass") is a concours-level silver speedster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Miller
Peter and Cheryl told me a great story about how they pursued - and finally bought - this Carrera...So many people had bugged the CA DMV for this tag, that finally it was issued via a lottery to the initial owner. It took Peter and Cheryl something like 13-15 years to persuade the previous owner to part with both the Carrera and this license plate...the thrill of the hunt.
And yes, the Carrera is a driver - it's a very nice car.
Cheers
Thom Kuby
RC70s and Sithots badges look different to me. Maybe it's the blurry image of RC70s that is fooling my eye but.... I've got two identical early badges at home. I'll post pics later. I think mine look more like Sithots.
Badges? Pretty easy to tell the old from the new, seeing them side by side. Tom's pic is sharper focus..The license plate frames? Back when I was buying new P-cars, I usually tossed 'em as soon as I drove the car home. Didn't want to advertise for the dealer. I'm thinking many others did the same? In my case, I'm sure it's no big loss. My '66 912 came from a VW dealer, as did my '69 912. The '70 T was Continental Porsche Audi in Portland...None of these frames would be considered hot items at a swap meet, I'm sure...gotta be stoddard, Brumos, Vasek Polak, one of the "hot" dealers, right?
70SATMan, please post your badges. I agree with you. I see a difference between mine and Sithot. I don't think it is just the photo quality.I am assuming it is the original from on my 72 S Targa.
Could it be a repro? :eek: Or did they change bages throughout the years? :confused:
We need the Super Secret Badge Police!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ray, hard to tell in your photo...the definition of the lines on the horse's hooves hard to make out. Tom's badge and mine are VERY similar, though I think the gold in mine looks a bit more "golden"? Orange vs. green surrounding color could be a factor...I do know that repros are made. I've never seen one, but I understand the quality isn't the same...
The ultimate Porsche plate frame? Rennman may have both ......
I'll post the pics tonight after I get home from work. There are differences is the Prancing Pony and I've seen very distinct differences in the backside too. I assumed it was a difference between the original castings and the first run of repros which I've heard was very close on the enamel colors. I can't believe that the company making these for Porsche had only one mold and molds only last so long. It could explain the slight differences. My two have the exact same irregularities in the casting on the backside so I know they came from the same mold. The first came off my 70S which I know was original back to 75. The second one I bought awhile back.
Anyone with a first run of the repros that could post a pic?
Here are mine. I've seen some where they are pebbled on the back like in the field of the shield in front. They also had the 901. Mine aren't pebbled on the back.
Here's a suppossed 67 original.
Tried to upload the picture of the back but, it's to small. This one is pebbled on the back.
nope...not gonna pull mine for a peek at the backside...
I'd be happy with a good digital picture of the front of yours PWD. I know yours is a reference. There's got to be someone close to you with a digital cam.
There are differences on the fronts as well. I wonder if Frank G. took any pictures of his reference caliber badges. Calling all one owners!!!
A Brumos frame just seemed right for my '73. I have to confess, it's not old though. They gave it to me just for asking a couple of years ago on my way through Jacksonville.
Not too close to me that I know of...but next car gathering, I'll ask around, see if somebody could take a badge pic, email it to me...what I find funny? Wayne Dempsey's 101 projects book suggests getting rid of the old badge and replacing with new as one of the projects... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 70SATMan
OK, any of you guys that want to do that as part of your 101 Projects for your early car. . . . . just send me the old, left over parts. I will discard them for you. ;) (right onto Kermit's hood)Quote:
Originally Posted by pwd72s
larry
I have 2 original hood emblems, just like the pictures Michael posted, but both are missind an orange bar. Do you know if there's a way to remove a bar and place it on the other badge. This way I'll have one in good shape.
Back to original topic.
I have on old Brumos license trim ring, and will trade for a Chick Iverson, or Vasek Polak (old only....)
Thanks,
Eric
elinden@earthlink.net
Eric, out of curiosity is your Brumos piece much different from mine shown in the post above?
I believe the 'early' factory badges stopped being available around the late '80s ... Stoddard had the 'first' run of repros done about '89 and were excellent ... Stoddard jobbed them to the West Coast through Tweeks in Long Beach ... I know a couple of people that tried to buy them out... fortunately when I first redid my car in '90 I got the last one in the display case. Subsequent runs have not been the same quality. :(
I loaned my OE badge to Nic Roveda ... it was unfortunately stolen from a body shop RIGHT OFF THE HOOD OF HIS CAR ... of course they played dumb. :mad:
Nic replaced my original with one he got on eBay... I have another that was given to me years ago from Mitch Rossi... I keep the good repro on the car, and the two old ones in my tool box... :)
Here's a pair. One original with some weather and one New Old Stock (on an NOS car), that's never been off the car. Quite a diff'rence in appearance.
Jeeze Chuck, I can't get over the blue of your car. Holy crap what a nice color!
Thanks bud...
It's kind-of-a chameleon to the different light...
It goes from dark (purplish) to light (aquaish) ... and everything in-between :confused:
Good for the soul. :)
Yeah Tom, but then you wind up taking the remaining gold off, leaving a nicely polished bronze (not a bad thing). I like the patina.
I had to look really hard at the pretty one, I thought it may be a repro. But the thing has never been off the car. The badge has 3,865 miles on it.
Now back to topic, who has my Brumos license plate frame...and HOW MUCH???!!! :eek: :D
I have a Brumos frame not-for-sale, but I'll trade it for a Dick Barbour Porsche+Audi frame. Anybody have one?
Jack
Same for me.... got a vintage Brumos plate frame, but I want a Chick Iverson Porsche plate frame as trade.
Eric
How about a plate frame from the Penske Porsche dealership? Anyone?
... well, this pic has been up before, but I think it just fits right in again!
:cool: :D ;)
There is a license plate in that photo? :)
Jens,
I will trade a Brumos for a Bill Yates Porsche frame or buy one if anyone should have it. Also have an extra Peter Gregg frame also to trade. Thanks.
Best,
Don
Don, I dug up an old Brumos, but the Peter Gregg interests me!! ;)
And I was just about to start a thread on Porsche Dealer license plate frames . . .
Reviving an old, old thread . . .
R
. . . and the thread that was there was pretty-well junked-up.
(Jeez --- what a mess . . . all that's been missing is a kitchen sink . . . and I've fixed that!)
OK, so ------------------- try again?
Let's see some vintage Porsche Dealer License Plate Frames . . .
R
I'm on the lookout for one of these....anyone have any leads?
http://www.brumosporscheparts.com/pr.../tag-frame.htm
Brumos has some pretty faithful repros of their original frame, at least to my eye;)
Take a bow, Jeff . . .
What would help would be a listing of dealers, up to 1973.
Does anyone have one of those that they can scan and post here?
TIA
R
I know that Chuck got an interesting frame recently. Maybe he will share. =_)
I got this one this past weekend. Sorry for the crappy photo
Is that a yellow backround? Or is it white?
And is the 'PORSCHE' painted red? AUDI, too?
What about the rest? 'Chick, etc' looks darker.
no, just yel;low / chrome
There is a similar thread here:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...d-Plate-frames
Are East Coast small town dealers allowed on this thread?
The below pic is of the frame and plate that were on my car new on the showroom floor. I still use the frame today.
69 was the last year for Harmon Motors to sell Porsches in Raleigh, NC.
Also attached is a period 70-71 shot of the 911 dealer plate like mine on a showroom car (dealer is definitely not Harmon!).
I had to throw in a period shot of the used car lot of Harmon. Last pic courtesy of this great Samba thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65292
I have been in touch with the guy who was Parts Manager when the car was purchased. He and Mike stayed friends all these years. He has some great stories!
Neat stuff
Good deal, Bryce . . .
Tying all these threads together . . .
R
Holy crap, Dude!
That Samba thread has 73-pages! . . .
Finally got a real chrome vintage stoddard frame this summer :)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/...ec2c414839.jpg
Heck, yeah!Quote:
Originally Posted by beh911
And the smaller the better.
Ever hear of Bear Bryant Volkswagen . . . in Tuscaloosa? Sold Porsches.
How 'bout Nu-Kar Sales, Inc . . . in Anchorage. (I'd settle for a photo of their Store.)
They're out there --- some where . . .
R
That's a nice looking frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoffman912
I know of a 73 Stoddard car with 39k original miles that still has the dealer stock sticker in the lower right corner of the windshield. Stoddard can supposedly still look the car up in their records based on this 38 year old sticker.
I'll try to get a picture of it and post.
Here's one...
Mike
If anyone ever sees....
"Cavalier Porsche Audi" plate frames, please let me know and Sithot and I can then fight over who gets them.
Porsche Corporate was convinced in the early 70's that Richmond needed a dealership, so they talked a couple of guys into leaving Heishman's or might have been Capital in DC to go to Richmond and open up a dealership. Porsche promoted the new dealeship by adverstising it on the side of Peter Greg's Orange #59 car that ran at Summit Point and later in what I think may have been the inaugural IMSA race at VIR. You can find archived pics of Greg's car sporting Cavalier Porsche Audi, Richmond, VA on the door. Porsche corporate didn't do such a great job choosing the folks to open the Richmond dealership and they were a little premature in their belief Richmond could support a dealership and it folded a couple of years after it opened.
I have a friend looking for a license plate frame from Masterson Porsche-Audi in Ventura. if anyone has one for sale, let me know..
This is the plate and frame that came on my '71E....now has WA plates but I'll keep these as part of the car's history
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...E/IMG_0097.jpg
Attachment 196074Heres one I'd love to have if anybody happens to have or know about.
This pic courtesy of Raj
Thanks Bud
I guess this should go in the license plate string as well as the dealer string
Endo911rs... I was told my PBH frame was from the dealership shortly after they purchased Westwood Porsche+Audi (in L.A.). Any long-time socal guys know when Porsche Beverly Hills bought the Westwood P+A dealership, and what year (span) the below frame is from?Quote:
Originally Posted by endo911rs
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37...031_zoom-1.jpg
You might try looking at some of the printed lists of Dealers/Distributors for various years to find out about stuff like this. Here's a page from the listing for 1970 . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by richemj
Some frames --- some Dealers --- are specific for certain years.
HTH
RVK
My car came with both the front and rear license plate frames from the original dealership:
http://www.thepocketsolution.com/ima...y_S/plate2.jpg
http://www.thepocketsolution.com/ima...ly_S/plate.jpg
-Mike
R.S. Taylor Corp
1516 Salano Ave
Vallejo, CA
White lettering/semi-gloss black on flash chrome
The things I notice/look for on the older dealer frames are the appearance/presentation of AUDI.
First thing I look for is --- that AUDI appears at all. From the beginning, a lot of Porsches seemed to have been sold by Dealers who also had a VW franchise. But some time around '69-'70, Porsche's US sales organization was re-organized, becoming more associated with AUDI, less with VW. I remember the Porsche+AUDI signage of that time, kinda stark, plain. Over time, AUDI's association would fade away, and Porsche became a more stand-alone brand.
The second thing I look at is the way AUDI is presented --- all caps, plain font, no oval insignias, nothing but letters.
Like this one
Some kinda 'Tae Kwon Do' school-for-kids (?) thing going on, there, now
About all that's left of the dealership? . . .
. . . are the cut-outs for the driveways at the curb
R
Niello Porsche+AUDI, Ltd
1841 El Camino Real
Sacramento, CA
White lettering/dull red on flash chrome
No mention of any brand (so they coulda stuck this on anything).
The thing I notice about this frame is the checkerboard pattern embossed in the lower corners. See this on a lot of metal frames --- not just Porsche. I also notice the more elaborate opening, with the extra little 'flair' added to the top letter panel, making for a more interesting 'window.'
As time passed, frames seem to get simpler, boxier, textures/details duller, any extra effort eliminated --- less colors, for instance --- until? . . . just plastic.
Came across this, today . . .
. . . The Niello Company started with a man in possession of exceptional talent. Louis Niello understood automobiles. He knew how they worked. And he knew how to fix them. The son of Italian immigrants resettling in San Francisco during the 1900s, Louis Niello displayed an unusually high mechanical aptitude at age 10. He loved cars and anything associated with cars. He raced motorcycles, worked as a chauffeur and eventually landed a job as a mechanic at a San Francisco Packard dealership . . .
. . . Hard work earned him enough money to buy the dealership with a partner. It was 1921, America's infinite passion for the automobile had entered a new phase. For an ever larger number of customers, no longer was it about buying a car to drive, but about buying a car to experience. The young Packard dealership on Ellis Avenue quickly added the famed luxury line of Pierce-Arrow. The move also foreshadowed what would become a Niello hallmark; not looking at what's on the road, but what's coming down the road . . .
. . . Louis Niello's son, Richard Niello Sr., inherited the family business after serving in the U.S. Navy during World War II. Pierce-Arrow was out of production, and Packard's days were numbered. Liquidating the dealership after his father's death, Niello Sr. briefly worked for General Motors in San Francisco. There he met two other young salesmen, Wes Lasher and Elmer Hubacher. All three would become lifelong friends and go on to found automotive legacies in their new hometown of Sacramento . . .
. . . With Hubacher eventually going into business on his own, Lasher and Niello Sr. partnered to form their own dealership and established in downtown Sacramento. In 1955, they started with a single make, a new German import poised to become an overnight success and legendary fixture on the American automotive landscape: Volkswagen . . .
. . . From then on, anticipating the next, newest, hottest and most distinctive automobile, they characterized the Niello name. After Wes Lasher left to form his own dealership during the early 1960s, The Niello Company continued adding relatively unknown makes and models destined to become the next must-have automobiles . . .
. . . As a successor to Lasher-Niello Volkswagen, The Niello Company established Niello Volkswagen-Porsche in 1963. To meet demands of the growing Sacramento market, in 1969 Niello Volkswagen moved to a new location on Arden Way and has been there ever since. The Niello Porsche franchise spun off and combined with Audi, forming Niello Porsche Audi. To date, Niello is the second oldest Audi dealership and the longest owned Porsche dealership in the country . . .
. . . Since those beginnings, The Niello Company has expanded considerably. In 1973, Niello BMW was established on Fulton Avenue. At the time, the BMW product was seemingly unknown to the Sacramento market, but all of that would soon change . . .
. . . In 1990, Acura was the next brand added to the lineup of fine automobile brands distinguishing The Niello Company. The Niello presence expanded in 1991 in Concord, acquiring an Infiniti franchise which has exclusively offered that brand ever since . . .
. . . The Niello Company then opened two flagship dealerships in the Sacramento area with Land Rover Rocklin (2001) and Niello MINI (2002) . . .
. . . With three dealerships opening in June of 2007, The Niello Company continued its growth in the Sacramento area with Jaguar Sacramento, Land Rover Sacramento, and Maserati of Sacramento. These exceptional brands propelled The Niello Company into providing the most distinctive automobiles to its customers . . .
. . . The Niello Company built a state-of-the-art facility in Elk Grove for its second Niello BMW dealership in January of 2008. At this same time Niello was the first dealer in the Sacramento area to offer the revolutionary smart car . . .
. . . The tradition of sensing the next automobile sensation is carried on by Niello's son, Richard Niello, Jr. To get a true feel for the business, Richard Niello, Jr. worked for a Volkswagen dealership in San Francisco before joining the family business in the mid 1970s . . .
. . . Richard Niello, Jr. became president of The Niello Company in 1995. His brother, David Niello, is responsible for Niello Infiniti in Concord. A third brother, Roger Niello, was a member of the California State Assembly, representing the Fifth Assembly District, and is now serving as secretary of the Niello Company . . .
. . . Still family owned, The Niello Company is the region's only privately held dealership group with a breadth of products that spans 10 brands: Acura, Audi, BMW, Infiniti, Land Rover, Jaguar, Maserati, MINI, Porsche and Volkswagen. Its collision and repair departments service over 100,000 cars a year, and its employee team includes over 500 specialists, technicians and sales professionals . . .
. . . The drive behind The Niello Company remains the same: to find automobiles fulfilling the buyer's quest for distinction, innovation and adventure . . .
. . . Today, The Niello Company continues to reflect the passion of founder Louis Niello for automobiles, and just as importantly, for the people who love automobiles . . .
http://audi.niello.com/history.htm
As for their old location? . . .
. . . it's now a Cannabis store
........
Hello,
I'm trying to find a LPF from Dieter Oest's shop. In truth I don't even know if his shop gave out plate frames, but perhaps someone has one they might be willing to part with?
While looking around for some history on Mr Oest I found some very cool pics. Here's a gratuitous pic of one of DO's cars from his racing days.
Cheers
Zipper Porsche
???? Wilshire Blvd (?)
Beverly Hills, CA
Semi-gloss black letters on gold-washed flash-chrome (yikes!)
Otto Zipper. Famous, famous Guy (. . . that many no longer remember). Not just for Porsches. Also Alfas, Ferraris, etc., going back to the 50s. Raced a lot, too. RS60s, 904s, 906s ---- Ken Miles ran his RSK at one time. Made his living having fun with cars. Lucky Guy. Recently passed . . .
R
Looking for a Motor Imports Inc License Plate Frame (San Diego).
European, Ltd Porsche+AUDI
(address unknown)
Albuquerque, NM
Blue lettering/dull white on flash chrome
New Mexico, passenger issue, 1970 reg, 1 = Santa Fe county
I finally remembered to upload the photo for the Holbert's frame. Car was originally sold by Al, luckily the frame survived and came with the car when I found it earlier this year.
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...P1010023-1.jpg
Sunnyvale Porsche+AUDI
835 El Camino Real
Sunnyvale, CA
Orange (maybe yellow?. . . even gold) lettering on dull black-painted frame
This little guy must've been a real eyeful when it was bight/shiny/new.
R
Looking for a frame from
Taurus Porsche Audi
Atlanta, GA
I'm looking for a frame similar to LongRanger's previous post but for Estes-Zipper Beverly Hills, presumably later than the one he posted, when Bob Estes teamed up with Otto Zipper. Any leads are greatly appreciated.
Porsche+AUDI of Downtown Los Angeles
631 W Washington Blvd
Los Angeles, CA
White lettering/black backround on chrome
Check-out the copper showing through on the left side.
R
Felton Porsche+AUDI
900 Redwood Highway
Mill Valley, CA
Semi-matte white lettering in dark blue delicately-pebbled rockers, flash-chromed pot metal; plate is standard CA passenger plate w/ year-of-exp tag
Now? --- Porsche Marin
...........
Anderson Behel Porsche Audi
4355 Stevens Creek Blvd
Santa Clara, CA
Semi-mattel white lettering in bright metallic blue letter boxes --- again in delicately-figured (pretty) . . . on nicer chrome
Caddy Dealer there, now
.........
Attachment 200907
Kline- Giganti Indianapolis - Now it is Tom Wood Porsche.
In my 1968 dealer listing, Porsche shows their Indiana agent as . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by mfitton
911/203/1
Kline Volkswagen, Inc
6901 East 38th Street
Indianapolis
Not sure when they added -Giganti, but here are some ads for 911s mentioning that particular dealer . . .
http://carmel-in.usaallads.com/cars/...-911_2707.html
http://www.collectioncar.com/detaile...y_id=1&lang=pt
Rick
And did your long-shot came through? . . .
* Category:Cars & Vehicles
* Location:IL, ROLLINGMEADOWS Map
* Posted:11/28/2011
Description:
I know this is a longshot, but I am looking for a license plate frame from a VW-Porsche dealership from early 70's in Indianapolis called Kline-Giganti. Does anyone have one of these, see attached. If so I would like to buy one, direct email is mike@excelgrafx.com . Thanks. Listing originally posted at http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifie...php?id=1217846
http://www.locopost.com/US/IL/Chicag...806735722.html
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ner-amp-Dealer
Attachment 200910
From small Porsche dealership in the Quad Cities early 80's. I haven't live in the area in more than 25 years, so I am not even sure if the dealership is still there.
Keith
Ok... I'll play. Here is a photo of my "Brian Redman Motors" license frame. This was Brian's exotic and vintage car dealership across from Brumos. It was owned by Brumos, but Brian ran it. It didn't last long....just a handful of years... started in 1982.
Here's another version --- no -Giganti . . . just Porsche + AUDIQuote:
Originally Posted by mfitton
Rick
Long shot did not come in. Also saw the ads you posted. Thanks still looking. I believe they added Giganti around 1970.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
Here are a few variations from Neufeld Porsche in Redwood City/Can Carlos/Burlingame, CA. Anybody have any info on the dealership?
Only that the dealership at 281 El Camino Real in San Carlos appears long gone from Google Maps...Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Bugler
Here's an old dealer handout...
http://cms.porsche-clubs.com/Porsche...1_nov_1965.pdf
Reference here to a sponsorship:
http://www.pbase.com/slidevalve911rs...r_sn9114609048
"Authorized Swag"
http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/Swag.htm
Porsche's Aug 1968 Dealer Listing shows . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Bugler
426/030/1
Neufeld Motors, Inc.
281 El Camino real
San Carlos / Calif. 94070
Phone: (415) LY 1-8281
Their 1970 and 72 listings are identical, except for the phone number . . .
(415) 592-1100
Here's a link (posted previously, way above) to an archive on The Samba . . . .
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/...ealers_ca2.php
A lot of Porsche Dealers started out/also had VW concessions. Looks like Neufeld & Freeborn, Inc dealt in VWs from before '57, becoming just Neufeld in '64, always in San Carlos, so they must've moved after '72
Thanks for posting! Very cool to have several frames from the same Dealer --- especially with PORSCHE on them and from several different cities.
Rick
Holy crap, Peter! . . . . what a trove. This'll take a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
Thank you, Sir!
(Wait 'till Milou sees this.)
My favorite are the PA cuff links...too cool...
I found another ultra-rare Brian Redman Motors dealer frame, from a source in Florida. I plan to post it, and offer for sale on ebay by the end of the week....for those interested.
Has anyone ever seen license plate frames like these? They have no slot in back to slide the plate into like most, these must really be old. Back side is just flat!Attachment 202024Attachment 202025
I'd love to see (or have!) a frame from Truman Motors in El Cajon.
Anyone here have that one?
426/024/1
Gus Mozart Volkswagen / Porsche + AUDI
825 El Camino real
Palo Alto, CA 94302
Listed as VW for ’69, P+A in '70 and ‘73
Flash chrome w/blue letters on dull white(?) back-round. Looks like greenish primer under where the lettering + back-round are rubbing off --- a bit more elaborately finished, maybe?
(What a name)
R
That's great. My car was ordered from Gus Mozart, but with factory delivery never wore the dealer plates. Gus's son John was my rep, and I'll always remember him taking me for a ride in his silver '67 911S as part of the sales job, not that I needed it. The Mozart service manager, Rolf van Kempen, later became a great foundation in my short roster of genuine Porsche technicians and advocates, beginning with Herr Franck at Porsche in Vienna, Austria. Anybody every heard of the latter?
-Richard
I bought a case of 40 of these from a bulk sale on Ebay about 6 years ago. They came packed 2 to an envelope and had never been opened or used. All NOS. Came in a case that had a Postal code stamp on from 1978 ???? , so I believe may have been made around then ?????? not totally sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfitton
They were from a supplier that made these for resale to Porsche dealers and apparently went out of business.
Sourced from Southern Cal. and I gave a whole bunch of them away to my friends in our local Porsche club. Kept two each for each of my cars and a couple extra for future purchases.
VERY well made with a high chrome finish......I was very pleased with that purchase and immediately looked for more on the internet, but have never seen any again.
Where did you get yours from ?
Lavia Porsche + AUDI, Inc
400 North State St
Santa Barbara, CA
Showing on the '73 Dealer Listing
Flash chrome, dull black letters on dull white backround
R
This one was really hard to find. My 1974 914 came from Kendon.
I ended up getting this frame from the UK. A guy picked up a VW bus and it was on it.
Kendon was on PCH in Wilmington near Torrance CA.
To go with your your Lavia plate Rick............ ;)
I don't know, Chuck . . . I was thinking that frame would go well with your jacket . . . . and look real good on your car. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Miller
Rick
Naaa...... keeping the old jacket Rick, maybe someday I'll be able to fit into it again...... :oQuote:
I don't know, Chuck . . . I was thinking that frame would go well with your jacket . . . . and look real good on your car.
Was finally given a CIRCLE Porsche frame I've been look'n for, for 22 years ........ :)
Mine was a CIRCLE car from the boat......and so far always lived in So Cal.
The frame needs to be re-done (It has the '70's 'Gold Tint') but I'll get to it some day...
The challenge for me with most of these vintage frames is they were taller from bottom to top to involve all 4 license plate holes... Instead of using just the 2 holes on top and a 'slot' to hold the bottom of the plate on the newer frames. I'm so used to looking at the back of my car with the later 'abbreviated' frame, when I put the vintage one up against it, it looks too BIG... :(
.......... and so it goes
Hey, Chuck . . .
Now THAT is one b!tchin' frame . . . and thanks for the pic. Never seen anything like it.
Rick
Got mine on theSamba a couple of months ago from a guy in Mexico, set of 2 was $60 including shipping. Very Happy with the purchase and have them on my '71 Targa. Thanks for the info
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrgreenjeans
You like them then.....I bet they really look good on your car.
The deal is , they have a real old skool kinda charm about them.
Not real glitzy, and of course they have no dealer connection, but in our case, I really do like the simplicity of just having the manufacture's name discreetly identifying the product.
PORSCHE.
I am almost ashamed to say how much I bought that case of 40 for......it was for 28 bucks and that included shipping. Came from a little, now defunct, maker in the Whittier ?, Ca. area , I believe. The name of the shop and the address is still on the box out in the garage...I can post it here if anyone is interested in knowing about the source. Maybe someone had dealings with this business at one time. Like I say, the original Pitney Bowes stamp is on the inside flap of the box, as the seller re-used the case when he sent it on to me about 5-6 years ago.
My guess is they were a mid 70's offering according to the dated stamp.
Ask and you shall receive! I too like the simplicity of just the "PORSCHE".
Attachment 205606
Ahhhh- haaa.......
You painted out the background black and wiped off the high points with a cloth soaked in paint thinner.
NICE !!
Left all of ours just plain chrome. My one friend who I gave a few to, did that trick like you and blacked out the background when he mounted it on his 930.
His car is the same color....Guards Red, and with all the black trim on it.....made for a nice complimentary acc.
Don
Kendon Porsche + AUDIQuote:
Originally Posted by pete000
1450 Pacific Coast Highway
Wilmington, CA
From the '73 Dealer Listing
No reference to any make --- VW, Porsche, or AUDI . . . which seems to be the rule more than the exception.
Way to go, Pete! ---- never even heard o' this outfit. 'Harbor Cities' sounds kinda generic, but Wilmington was annexed by LA in 1909, still a district. Now next to Harbor City, San Pedro and the Port of Los Angeles. Oil refineries, tank farms, container/truck parks, mostly . . .
Rick
Actually I took a black "Sharpie" pen and colored it in, didn't want it to be a solid black. Using the "Sharpie" gives it a faded black tint and keeps that vintage look! Car is Bahia Red BTW.
426/202/1
Roy Strong Motors
3333 Wall Ave
Ogden, UT 84401
. . . from Porsche's Aug '68 Dealer List
Flash chrome, dull white letters on a medium metallic blue back-round. Robert W. Brown &Co Downey, Calif #4
Utah passenger issue, baseplate modified by annual reg sticker
Speaking of strong... a Wester frame auction ended today and sold for $427... I'll bet you a dill pickle that someone here won it. This one has no Porsche crest like the one I own, but neat never the less.
One of those names I kinda remember . . . and kinda don’t. More here:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...Wester-Porsche
http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/Do...rHomepage.html
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...nse-frame.html
Here are some comps . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ghlight=wester
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ghlight=wester
426/021/1
Wester Motors, Inc (’69)
Wester Porsche Audi (’73)
1187 Del Monte Ave
Monterey, CA 93940
$427, huh? EeeYouch. Must be the ‘Monterey,’ ya think? . . . . there goes that neighborhood.
Price sounds about $327 too much, if you ask me, but --- what do I know? Most I’ve ever paid for a frame was ~$200 --- and I’m an idiot. Then again, I could spread that kinda damage over all the other frames I paid $20-$40 for so . . . at least I’m solvent. Or at least --- tell myself so.
Prices like that push all of this kinda stuff --- Polak/Iverson/Brumos/et al --- even further underground.
Look for this bit at the next Monterey . . . . :rolleyes:
Rick
No doubt a lot of $$$ but the price is driven by availability and clearly there aren't many of these around. Dig those decals on that spyder!
. . . from the '71 PDL . . .
Tom Mason Porsche Audi
250 Abby St
Fresno, CA
Matte white lettering in matte red letter boxes, flash chromed, no Makers' marks/ID; plate = std CA pass iss
Seems to 've taken over the Porsche concession in Fresno, from Guy Gardner --- but only for that one year . . . '71
After that, Gardner re-appears --- + Mason disappears = 1-year-dealership. As obscure a dealer + frame as any here
Superior Auto Body is on the property today. One desolate corner of Fresno, too
And hey! --- Mark . . . post some pics of your Wester, will ya? (I've seen all your wheel shots, so . . . I know what you're capable of!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Morrissey
;)
Rick
Been going through a copy of the August '72 Porsche Dealer List . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
Kline Porsche Audi, Inc
5158 No. Keystone Ave
Indianapolis, IN
. . . so -Giganti would've been after . . .
R
They're not . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by highlander709
Rexroat Porsche Audi . . .
388 42nd Ave
East Moline, IN
I can only find them in the '70 PDL.
One year only, I think.
(Way to go, Kieth!)
Rick
I have this on my car now. I don't know anything about it but thought it was pretty cool. Has really nice patina... I get the sense it wasn't the best place based on a comment I saw on the 356 registry. One or two of you California guys must have some info.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
Got my new issue of Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car magazine in the mail today........very timely.
If you all want to read a REMARKABLE short presentation in Don Wester's own words, along with pics of the 1966 Sebring race that caused insurmountable grief to those involved, get this copy today.
Its a gut wrenching account of several horrifying accidents and , at least to me, shots never seen of Don's own collection of the car that tangled with Mario Andretti.
Don was driving that 906 that day, and you can almost feel the grief come up off that written page and whack you right in the throat.
Gripping account, remarkable photos, and lives lost that day........combine to bring a tear to the eye of the reader.
March 2012, Issue # 79. Pages 52 thru 55.
Don, hats off to you for sharing from the heart.
For being ......a REAL man.
A Hero.
A GREAT driver.
Chapp Volkswagen Corporation
3700 Tyrone Blvd
St Petersburg, FL
Dull white lettering on med blue back-round. A genuine bona fide Volkswagen Dealer, and plainly listed as such . . . dealing in Porsches. (Lotsa these . . . and kinda surprising, too) Appearing in the ’70 thru ’72 PDLs
Plate is std FL pass, year-of-iss. 50 = Washington county. D = pass vehicle <2500 lbs . . .
Hm. No reference to Porsche Audi, like --- at all/anywhere . . . either on their frames or paperwork?
Wonder why?
Another reference . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-is-on-its-way
. . . + another appearance/version . . .
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...=1#post1088731
.........
Lasher Porsche Audi Fiat Ferrari
(Address unknown)
Sacramento, CA
Dull white lettering on black painted frame.
Lasher-Niello Co. is a Volkswagen franchise, but only Niello shows up in the PDLs between '69 and '73 (see post #78, above), always in Sacramento, so . . . . this frame may be (much?) later.
Still --- never seen Ferrari and Porsche together like this . . .
R
422/108/1
Four J Motors
6000 Pacific Blvd
Huntington Park, CA
From the Aug '68 PDL
Dark blue lettering on semi-gloss grey
You'd never know this outfit sold Porsches . . . and as un-attractive as it is anonymous.
Rick
426/031/1
Atlas Volkswagen
2922 Mission Street
San Francisco, CA
From the Aug '68 PDL
Another Vee-Dub franchise moon-lighting in P-cars --- this time in SF. One of three dealers in The City, this one not so fancy-schmancy (maybe) . . . in The Mission District.
(The Carlsens --- Stan and Carl --- had their stores up-town . . . on 19th, Van Ness, respectively)
Dull white on med blue, flash chromed.
Rick
Scored this one the other day...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...rumosframe.png
915/201/1Quote:
Originally Posted by DutchmanPhotos
Brumos Porsche (P + A from '70) Corp
1444 North Main Street (10211 Atlantic Blvd fr '70)
Jacksonville, FL
From the Aug '68 PDL, again . . .
Brumos still makes these . . .
http://www.brumosporscheparts.com/pr.../tag-frame.htm
But, compare . . . the little ball on the end of the loop of the 'J' --- plus the odd slant on the outside edges of bottom mounting tabs . . . looks to me like yours is an older, bit-more-elaborate version.
Very nice, Dutch . . . .
Rick
Not sure how widespread the practice was --- or for how long . . . but some Dealers apparently issued their frames as pairs.
Now, that's not that surprising --- cars have two plates, after all . . . 'cept the frames in these sets were not the same.
The pattern/convention seems to've been to have the Dealership's name in the upper position for the front frame, then in the lower for the back, with the location in the opposite. Example below.
Production of these 'front-&-rear' sets seems to have discontinued by the mid-to-late 60s, leaving only the 'rear' pattern (location-over-Dealer) seen today.
Rick
423/022/1
Pape'-Cross Volkswagen, Inc
20 Coburg Road PO Box 1971
Eugene, OR
Looks to've been white lettering over black (on top), white-over-red (bottom), nicer chrome frame.
I try to watch Antiques Roadshow, on PBS, and there are a couple of furniture appraisers on the show --- twins, the Keno bros (Leigh and Leslie) . . . and they are a riot. Get really really excited about furniture --- construction, materials . . . and most of all --- finishes.
Me, too.
You may've heard/read of Keith Martin (SCM) and his car grading-system: 1-to-6 . . . one being perfect, etc. If I applied that kind of scale to frames --- and keeping the Keno Bros in mind . . . grade 1 would be NOS. Period. The best restored-anything could never be better than a grade 2.
And 3 and 4? B!tchin' used . . . and more-used.
5 = nasty/krusty/tweaked/clean breaks.
6 = shattered/un-mountable . . .
. . . or badly/ineptly/criminally re-finished . . . hosed.
Like this.
Rick
Here is a picture of Seinfeld's Porsche early '65, don't know the dealer plate!
Attachment 207059
Mike, Cabiglio is the master of Seinfeld's Porsche domain.:eek:
Does anyone have a picture (and maybe an extra) Trans Ocean from Pasadena? My really well documented and original '66 912 with it's black plates is from there.
915/207/1
University Volkswagen, Inc
5730 North Pensacola Blvd PO Box 12190
Pensacola, FL
From the Aug '68 PDL
The most common name among Porsche Dealerships?
University Volkswagen --- five total, all in different states
Dull white letters, blue back-round --- very little left. Another <2000 lb ('D') std pass FL, 50 = Washington county
Anyone know of an old frame from a Massachusetts dealer?
Cabiglio Porsche !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mfitton
Yes, Seinfeld is the MASTER of Hilarity.
Sam, how do you put up with this guy ?????
Assuming we won't be hearing anything about this from either one of them..........
I buried a joke in my reply. Might have been too subtle.:rolleyes: Remember the "Master of Your Domain" episode of Seinfeld called "The Contest"? Something about stroking or jerking or something....:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrgreenjeans
Jens.....read you loud and clear.
Toooooo funny.
Outfit's still around. (Same location since at least Aug '68.)Quote:
Originally Posted by oscillon
130 N Sierra Madre Blvd
Pasadena CA, 91107
(626)577-0300
Maybe try swinging by? . . . in your car?
Who knows? --- maybe you can score some schwag . . .
;)
Rick
I lived in Sacramento during the late sixties and early 70s. IIRC Wes Lasher and Niello were separate dealerships during that time frame. Niello was in the North area and Lasher in the South I think.
Gateway Porsche + AUDI, Inc
1726 N.E. 102
Portland, OR
From the '70 thru '72 PDLs
Semi-matte black lettering on dull white, flash-chromed, no Makers' marks/ID. Another post + picture, here . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...82-New-Arrival
Plate is '69 OR (baseplate), reg pass iss, 1st letter = month of exp (APR) w/ yr-of-exp reg sticker
..............
I would love to see, better yet buy, a frame from Bud Clark Inc, Dearborn MI.
Found 'im . . . (both, actually)Quote:
Originally Posted by bfunke
From the Aug '68 PDL . . .
W.B. Lasher Volkswagen
1701 'K' Street
Sacramento, CA
Niello Volkswagen
2241 Fulton Ave
Sacramento, CA
Rick
. . . . another Four J, Huntington Park also . . .
'. . . Four J Motors was named for the 4 daughters ( Jill, Jane, Judy, and Jennifer) of the owner. The dealership sold Volkswagen and Porsche. I found several references to 911 and 912 purchased from this dealer . . .'
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Pors...FWgblw&vxp=mtr
Dull medium blue letters on dull white back-round, flash chromed
(Compare this example to the mutt in post #132.)
This one's much snazzier --- better contrast/colors, crisper letters, finer details, smoother frame sections, touch o' chrome . . . pretty much everything. Also, this's a proper Robert W Brown . . . a bit dusty/weathered, but straight --- and un-restored.
(Updating post #124)
Tom Mason Porsche Audi
250 Abby St
Fresno, CA
From the June '71 PDL.
Couldn't 've been in business long . . . . this outfit's not on the '73 PDL.)
Blue Lakes Volkswagen
1534 No. Blue Lakes . . .
Twin Falls, ID
From the '70 and '73 PDL
Reflective white w/ bright blue mask, flash chrome, no maker identified
Just about the cheesiest frame I've ever come across . . . looks like some grade-school science project --- gone awry . . . crooked, sloppy, yikes . . .
Still, a genuine bona fide VW Dealer --- boldly doing business selling Porsches --- between '70 and '73
And I'm gonna try to dress-up these posts a little bit, with period plates . . .
Idaho, '70 passenger issue ('68 base plate), one of three variations, 'N' = Nez Perce county
Attachment 209371Attachment 209372Attachment 209373Attachment 209374
Wow, never realized these were worth so much !
I used the attached frame on my 72 911S from 1988 to 1993
Recently pulled one of the 2 I have out to use on my latest 911
Bill
. . . . as seen at The Phoenix Show, this past week-end . . .
1) Ogner VW, Canoga Park
2) Vasek Polak, Manhattan Beach --- don't know about this one . . . has the later-style 'squared-off' verticals = older/aged replika?. . .
3) Circle Porsche Audi, Long Beach --- don't recall the car but plate is circa 73-74? And please note the screw heads
4) Chick Iverson, Newport Beach. This dealer was Porsche + AUDI from '70 on so I believe any VW reference is earlier. Shiny, shine--- heh! --- what's with those itsy-bitsy little wires? Nothing for the plate to slot into? And Dude! Expired tags? . . . :rolleyes:
5) Alexander Porsche Audi, Yuma, AZ --- the very first Porsche dealer frame I ever bought, maybe . . . 20 years, ago. Sold, along with the Roadster I hung 'er on (87901), to Ritchie King @Karmann Konnection (UK), 8 or 9 years ago. Returned to me . . . just by asking . . . at The Lit Show . . .
. . . a little souvenir of a car I don't have. And a friend I do.
(Thanks, Ritchie. Really . . . you have no idea . . .)
No PDL references, yet, but, w/Audi tag, clearly after '70. Also, if you've ever been to Yuma AZ, you'd know . . . any dealer there wouldn't 've lasted long.
Now . . . need to adjust one of those screw heads ---- d@mmit!!:rolleyes:;)
Rick
I missed seeing that Vasek Polak license plate photo of the "Manhattan Beach" location at the Phoenix Club swap meet, or is that a photo of a Vasek plate you own?Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
That version of the plate is by far the most valuable, ask Carl T.
Thanks for posting!
I agree. In fact, I'm beginning to think that any red-letters-on-a-white-backround plate is something pretty special --- especially if its original.Quote:
Originally Posted by 914-6gt
As for me and anything Vasek Polak --- see post #3 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ighlight=Polak
Yes, I saw your post earlier last week. Thanks Rick!
Merlin Olsen Porsche Audi, Inc
15531 Ventura Blvd
Encino, CA
I first heard of/remembered Merlin Olsen --- 6-foot-five, 275 (and not much weight-lifting, back then) --- as an LT, LA Rams, and --- along with Deacon Jones, Rosie Grier, and Lamar Lundy --- one of the Fearsome Foursome, back when football was still played on grass/mud/snow/ice, outdoors, in swish-less uniforms . . . by Guys usually covered in body fluids and vegetable matter. Tough Guy. Played well. ’62 NFL Rookie of the Year, 15 seasons in the pros (missed two games), 14 Pro Bowls, left the League in ’76.
Sorta.
Worked as a football Commentator/Analyst, in the 80s and early 90s --- with NBC first, CBS later.
Actor, too. Little Screen (Little House on the Prairie, Father Murphy, Aaron’s Way) and Big (The Undefeated). And Pitchman --- ‘member the voice of FTD?
Business Man, too. Utah native, Mormon, second of nine kids (1st-born son), graduated with a degree in Finance from USU. Summa cum Laude. With a Phi Beta Kappa key. 3-time Academic All-American. While he was tearing it up playing college ball. Turned down job-offers from IBM and Xerox to play pro. Added a Masters in Economics in ’71. While he was tearing it up playing pro ball. Did I mention he was in 14 Pro Bowls, and that he’s in both the College and NFL Halls of Fame?
Oh yeah --- and between knocking heads and knocking out degrees, Mr Olsen, together with his Rams pal, QB Roman Gabriel, ran a travel agency.
And a little Porsche store . . . out in Encino.
Bought out his partner after ’74 (?) --- Mr Gabriel was selling real estate, out in Orange Park Acres, last I’d heard --- then sold everything when he retired (late 90’s?). Died of mesothelioma ---- was suing NBC, Fox, et al because of it, at the end --- 11-Mar, 2010.
Lotsa these frames floating around, still. Many with their Dealer cards, too. Frame's probably more appropriate for an ‘80s Turbo or 3.2 liter --- see ‘snowflakes’ on the back.
Not so appropriate for Mr Olsen . . . .
Small frame . . . Big Man
Nice review Rick.
Alpine Porsche Audi
1020 Fountain Creek Blvd
Colorado Springs, CO
White lettering on light metallic green, flash-chromed, RWB Co #4M
Nice little eye-catcher. Back-round that the lettering stands on has a subtle kinda faceted-type surface . . . really makes the green --- a rare color anyway --- pop
Plate is a '70 Wyoming, always popularly known as --- what else, but? --- The Cowboy State, passenger issue. Features the famous Bucking Horse and Rider (BH&R) image, first seen in '36 --- designed by Allen T True, and an actual registered trademark of the state of Wyoming. 14 = Niobrara County
Rick nice write up on Merlin. Is the lawsuit ongoing for mesothelioma and what was the connection of this to NBC, Fox, etal?
I don't know about the status of the lawsuit --- I'm no attorney, but my guess would be that, unless his family/heirs had standing in the original action, any lawsuit brought by Mr Olsen would've died with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfitton
Regarding the original respondents, it's evident that Mr Olsen believed he had good cause to take action against the various networks that employed him. From everything that I've read, Mr Olsen was an intelligent, accomplished and formidable individual to deal with, known for being beyond-well-prepared in his business dealings. (Couple people commented that he would've made an excellent attorney.) But. If Mr Olsen thought that NBC/CBS/Fox had anything to do with his illness, then I would believe that he had something to back-up any claim he would make.
Mr Olsen was a hero of mine. I remembered him from his playing days --- a great competitor, good/clean, and totally fierce . . . very few people like that. Then or now. And to see him successfully move on, several times, as an entertainer, commentator, spokes-person, and business man made me admire him even more. I never heard a word about his health and legal issues . . . 'till after he passed.
I am not an attorney either...but I do have access to Google. The link below helps clear up some facts in the legal case and its eventual settlement:Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
http://www.mesotheliomalawfirmblog.c...ttlement.shtml
Saludos,
Eduardo
new score. not sure what I will do with it since i am proudly wearing stoddard and my car is a few years too early for this frame -i think its early to mid 70s.. (though who cares about that, right?).
I have a 1967 ohio plate '912' hanging in my garage.. i might just put this around it for garage art.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
The same day you put this post up, I had just put this frame on my car.
Merlin, Roman and the Rams were my idols back in my playing days. I found it pretty cool that my car was originally sold from the joint dealership.
From what I can gather, the Merlin Olsen frame is from after Merlin bought Roman out sometime in the mid 70's.
Been trying to find the below frame from that time (1970) since getting my car 2 years ago, with no luck so far. So this one will have to do till the Pièce de résistance is acquired.
Can anyone help a brother out?
Bud
Love that garage door graphic!
Was at the family house where I grew up and was delighted to have found this displayed on one of the steel beams in my old basement....I think I had it on an old Rabbit I once owned back in the day...Holbert's was a thriving Porsche dealer back in the day, I don't hear much about them anymore...Currently residing on the back of my RoW '82 SC Targa...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...2/photo-11.jpg
Cool plate Harry. Not often you see the Porsche - Audi logo on a plate frame. It's a cool one.
Attachment 210861
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoffman912
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Encino-...item1c23a77dc3
Here's a Merlin Olsen plate frame on ebay
Thanks Bill, it turned out pretty good for a junkie garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Simmeth
(I know a guy in the sign business ;)
Leroy Cannon Volkswagen --- thru ’72, P + A after 7?
South Church Street Extension
Greenville, SC
Dull white lettering/letterbox on a dull med blue back-round, raw (un-painted/un-plated ---- !) pot metal
Heavy sucker --- substantial, die-cast?, with elaborate, almost architectural detailing --- front and back (including re-enforcements) . . . more picture- than license-frame
1970, SC passenger issue, commemorating the state’s tri-centennial --- 1-year only. These plates are issued by weight-class thru ‘71 . . . BX = passenger car, 2000 – 2500 lbs
Autohaus Porsche Audi, Inc
1760 Manheim Pike
Lancaster, PA
From the Aug '72 PDL
Dull white lettering on a dull blue back-round, flash-chromed, no maker’s identification
Nice, crisp finish, especially the lettering, with some finer detailing --- the ‘hashing’ in front and the tidy die-marks in back . . . but otherwise a pretty routine treatment. (Compare this to any RWB Co)
PA passenger issue, introduced in ’65 and used thru the end of ’70, modified by yearly reg stickers. This is also their last baseplate to feature an outline of the 'keystone' state
Up to '69 . . .
Bob Bozzani Volkswagen, Inc
420 West Foothill Blvd
Monrovia, CA
From '70 on . . .
Bozzani Porsche Audi, Inc
411 W. Huntington Drive
Monrovia, CA
From the '69, '70, '71, and '72 PDLs
Apparently, started out as Bob Bozzani Volkswagen, Inc at 420 West Foothill Blvd, same town --- up to '69. Not sure how long they had the Porsche franchise, but their VW business is still going --- 528 S. Citrus, in Covina
. . . The two Bozzani brothers came from Italy and opened up a motorized bike shop in downtown LA in 1911. Since then they had various franchises until around WWII. Bob Bozzani opened up shop in Monrovia then with VW in 1957. In 1995, they handed it off to Greg Bozzani.
Today the grandson, Greg Bozzani, continues to operate his VW dealership in the same manner. Greg employs some of the same people his father did. People stick around his facility beacuse its a great place to work and buy and service cars from . . .
http://www.bozzanivw.com/History
This frame is another RWB Co --- little different, w/raised chrome lettering on a dull black back-round, flash-chromed. Compare back-round textures --- top versus bottom . . . different, odd
CA plate is early '70, 6-place (Number/Number/Number-space-Letter/Letter/Letter) 'blue' plate = regular passenger issue, used thru '81, then switching to current 7-place N/LLL/NNN). Reg updated w/yearly tag until '77, then accompanied/modified by month-of-exp in the upper left well
. . . with some interesting/fascinating comments/images . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hlight=bozzani
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hlight=bozzani
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...t=dealer+frame
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...t=dealer+frame
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...t=dealer+frame
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ight=don+burns
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...t=dealer+frame
For a company as widely seen/recognized as Robert W Brown & Co, I’ve found only very little information about it
The earliest reference I can find, dated 1957, has to do with a lawsuit filed against the company contending that they (RWB & Co) had violated a patent in producing a license frame. Short version --- RWB & Co lost
What’s interesting about the date is that California --- and, apparently, a lot of other states --- changed the size/shape of their vehicle license plates over to a more-or-less standard --- and different --- one the previous year
Any way, the company was in business until ~’79, whereupon the whole outfit was sold to a company called JayDie (still in business), who continued using RWB & Co’s tooling for a time . . . allegedly even issuing frames with RWB & Co’s logos struck-out and JayDie’s added in
RWB & Co was not the only company making frames. But, from what few types of frames I’ve seen, they must’ve had one heck of a business, producing stuff for a coupla decades, for all kinds of dealers, selling all kinds of vehicles --- far and wide. And while there is a listing of RWB & Co’s customers, I’ve absolutely zero interest in verifying whether or not any frame stamped RWB & Co was, in fact, produced by them. I bring this up because there are replicas/re-issues of several of the more popular frames --- I’ve seen them . . . . and spoken with those who’ve produced them
Yet --- no one has admitted to reproducing the RWB & Co identification on any re-issue/replica
As for me, aside from my own personal observations/impressions/gut reactions, I take the presence of an RWB & Co logo as an indication that the frame I’m looking at was made before 1979
Take these comments for what they're worth . . . especially given some of the prices being realized
Interesting...and similar analysis from 3 years ago...
http://porsche356registry.org/356talk/1/15713.html
Even more detail in embedded link...
http://www.pbase.com/slidevalve911rs...rame_manhattan
Vasek Polak (Porsche Audi from '70)
Originally (from '59) . . .
356 South Sepulveda Blvd
Manhattan Beach, CA
Moved sometime between '64 and '67 to . . .
199 Pacific Coast Hwy
Hermosa Beach, CA
Another really famous Dealer. Mechanically-gifted Czech ex-pat --- came over as a refugee, basically . . . got into Porsches early, made his bones running/tuning Carreras, scraped enough together to open the first Porsche-only US dealership in '59, yadda, yadda, yadda . . . .
WAY more, here . . .
http://www.vpracing.com/index.html
1) Hermosa Beach w/Porsche crest . . . unidentified + unknown
2) P + A branded . . . from '70-on
Came across this (very) Old Picture, but this frame is really interesting for having the early '70s Porsche | AUDI branding --- totally unlike the 'crested' ones usually offered/floating around . . . and all the more interesting since the car it's mounted on has a proper early '70-issue CA pass blue-plate to go with
3) Manhattan Beach w/crest . . . repro?
4) Hermosa Beach --- front frame . . . Real Deal early '60s, restored?
5) Hermosa Beach --- rear . . . Real Deal + OG
Morgensen Motors was the first Porsche-VW dealership in Phoenix. Survived until the '80's. My dad cut his teeth there as mechanic and shop foreman until '73. Dick Morgensen is fondly remembered for racing one of the Max Balchowsky 'ole Yeller cars and for slinging his 1957 Ferrari 250TR around the track. My father helped crew both cars.
(I think the Cobra frame is pretty cool too.)
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Not yet . . . but been lookingQuote:
Originally Posted by varunan123
In fact, of the 50-60-some Canadian Porsche dealers that I know of --- only ONE . . .
Heimrath Porsche Services, Ltd
777 Warden Ave
Toronto, ON
. . . has Porsche in their name. The rest? --- either Volkswagen . . . or nothing
In the mean time . . . . . . how 'bout one from Alaska?
;)
422/202/1
Morgensen Motors
1402 North Central Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85004
From the Aug '68 PDL, then no mention through '74 . . .
That Shelby frame looks OG --- and is it an RWB & Co? Betcha that's some serious Bucks :eek:
Porsche Audi Motor Cars
580 Broadway Ave
Bedford (Cleveland) , OH
From the '72, '73 and '74 PDLs
White lettering on a medium (possibly once-metallic?) blue back-round, flash-chromed . . . like a lot of frames from this period --- early '70s?
Jeez --- not much imagination with that name. (Talk ‘bout playing it safe) . . . . but. Notice the detailing? RWB & Co #4
Standard '70 OH pass issue . . . grey w/scarlet to commemorate the 100th anniversary of Ohio State University. X = Athens county
Thats kind of funny that its to commemorate OSU's 100th anniversary, but its in Athens, home of OU.
pretty cool to see teh cleveland plate though!
are you sure thats grey and red to honor osu's 100th annv though? looks a lot like my 68 plate which is red and white..
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/...ec2c414839.jpg
Hey, Harry . . . yeah, not too clear in the pic --- and I don't have a white OH plate to compare it to . . . but it looks like a soft kinda dove-greyQuote:
Originally Posted by hoffman912
More here . . .
http://www.15q.net/oh.html
http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/
Ogner Porsche Audi, Inc
21301 Ventura Blvd
Woodland Hills, CA
. . . or . . .
21577 Roscoe Blvd
Canoga Park, CA
. . . or . . . .
21555 Roscoe --- zat next door?
Interesting. Especially that first address . . .
. . . ‘cause that’s also the last one listed for Competition Motors, 1970. (More on that subject later . . .)
Ogner no longer has their Porsche franchise, but it looks like they got it started when they took over from Competition Motors at that same Woodland Hills address, probably around/after Johnny Von Neumann sold everything off ~ ’71(?) Like Von Neumann --- like a lot of Dealers --- Ogner began with VW, first as Ogner Bros, Ltd (’61 thru ’66), then Ogner Motors after . . . but apparently, the VW biz was always in Culver City (?)
Anyway. Dull black lettering on a dull white back-round, flash chromed, RWB Co. I’m noticing how some of RWB Co’s usual detailing --- the texturing of the ‘back-round,’ the fine cross-hatching in the lower corners --- is missing
Plate is a 1st year 6-digit (numbers/letters) CA passenger --- the so-called ‘blue-plate.’ Reg tags were issued yearly, back then, with placement alternating between the upper wells, until ’77, when CA DMV began issuing month-of-expiration tags, placed in the upper left, year-of-exp stickers opposite
. . . previously shown . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...etition+motors
. . . so here's some more detail . . .
Per the Aug ’68 PDL . . .
Competition Motors
21301 Ventura Blvd
Woodland Hills, CA
Per the ’71 PDL . . .
(‘. . . by ’61’?), ‘Distributor Offices’? ~’63
8855 West Washington Blvd
Culver City, CA
(New dedicated VW? facility)
Culver City
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/...llywood_ca.php
When it comes to Porsche Dealer frames . . . . this one’s the Loch Ness Monster, for me. I remember looking for these back in the early ‘90s . . . . and they were already totally under-ground. Saw so many replicas/duplicates/re-issues, I began to doubt whether originals ever existed. So finding one . . . .
Anyway, for me, the most famous/storied Porsche Dealer ---- period . . . going WAAAY Back, all the way, to the Very Beginning of Porsche in this country. What Max Hoffman did for Porsche’s street cars, back East, Johnny Von Neumann did for their track cars, out West
Johnny Von Neumann, born 16-Dec ’21, Vienna, son of a prominent surgeon, emigrated to the US in ’38 with the Anschluss (the German annexation of Austria)/approach of the war, ARMY Intel officer during, then came out to/stayed in California after
Started selling cars in ’47, opened his own business in ‘48, fixing sports cars in a two-car garage with some buddies, started racing . . . then began selling VWs in ’52 --- trucked them out himself --- from NY (!) --- him and his 1st wife Eleanor
So. Hanging out with Hoffman in NY one day, Von Neumann drives his first Porsche, likes it, buys it . . . . then drives it cross-country to CA . . . before they had Interstates . . . the 1st Porsche west of the Mississippi
Never looked back
In ’53 (?), moved to . . .
1219-F North Vine Street
Hollywood, CA
. . . . then . . .
1730 No. Highland
Hollywood, CA
Maybe even Inglewood?
‘. . . on Manchester blvd near LAX . . .’
http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/..._feature4.html
Raced Ferraris, became a dealer, too (in ’57) . . . allegedly so he could get better race cars. Worked-out for him. Big time. Received the 1st customer Testa Rossa. Important Ferrari Guy, too --- bugged The Old Man to build a big open-topped GT. The Result was a car better known today as the California Spyder. Racer/team owner . . . in Europe, Mexico, South America, Nassau --- had Jack McAfee, Phil Hill, Ritchie Ginther, Ken Miles driving for him. Hired this young Czech Guy to wrench and tune, too --- a certain Vasek Polak. Famously sold a 550 Spyder to some Flash-in-the-Pan Hoosier by the name of Dean. Sold + raced cars, partied, jet-setted . . . . Von Neumann was in the middle of it all, commercially + competitively. And making money
By ’69, he was into other things. Divorced the 1st wife --- she got his US Ferrari dealership --- then took off for Switzerland, where he'd owned the Ferrari concession since ‘65, sold his Porsche/VW business back to the factory ~’71? Cha-ching
After the Car Biz, imported/sold yachts out of Italy with his long-time pal Chick Iverson. Even started a little venture leasing Learjets for executive travel . . . sounds like he invented that business
Spent the last years of his life bouncing between Switzerland and California, got married, again --- had a little girl (go, Tiger), passed away Christmas Eve, 2003
Now, some four decades since his last showroom closed . . .
(--- You Concours Guys may wanna leave the room, now ---)
. . . found in an avocado grove, out in Fallbrook, attached to what was left of a ’67 Type I (as in VW) carapace . . .
Dull white (I think?) lettering on a dull green back-round (upper)/the reverse (lower)?, flash-chromed, no maker’s marks . . . . but who cares? After only a coupla decades-or so out in the elements --- just check-out those rust-blooms! . . . a total ruin. (Only chrome left was under the heads of the bolts that held it on)
But, in all my years or car bummery --- rummaging around in countless yard/garage sales, swap-meets, junk-yards, spider/rat/scorpion-infested barns/lock-ups, land-fills . . . never seen/touched/held one of these in the metal . . . ‘till this
So if this is as close as I ever get? . . . . . so be it
Plate is the one it was found attached/fused to, black plate CA, reg pass issue . . . last registered in ‘89
Good stuff. Love hearing old stories and really love seeing the old black & whites. Please keep posting.
Not really Tom..........Quote:
Does this belong here?
Tom
Attachment 213900Attachment 213900Attachment 213900Rick,
Here's one I restored about two/three years ago with new brass plating and correct color paint. I pulled it down to take the photos and it looks like it's just corroding sitting in the garage. Bummer.
John
Oh heck...I don't know what happened to my photos. I think I just had a brain fart!
John
Fantastic find Rick... hope you keep the patina
Absolutely . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Morrissey
. . . just have watch out for those chrome splinters . . .
;)
Carousel Porsche Audi, Inc
502 E. Excelsior Blvd
Hopkins (Minneapolis), MN
From the '71 and '72 PDLs, and as seen in a recent posting on Pelican . . .
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-frame-fs.html
No details . . . but looks an awful lot like the Leroy Cannon in post #177
422/119/1
Economotors, Inc
8330 Indiana Avenue
Riverside, CA
From the Aug '68 PDL . . .
This one looks like its been scrubbed or polished or something . . . bluish letters on a whitish back-round(?), flash-chromed RWB&Co No 9
One of the earliest US Volkswagen dealers, started in ’54 by a Guy named Joe Vittone --- an enterprising fella who didn't like throwing stuff away just 'cause that's how VW wanted him to service their cars. Started a little VW parts outfit he called European Motor Products Inc. . . . better known as EMPI . . .
http://www.oldeskool.org/empi.html
Sold Porsches, too . . . through ’69 . . .
Plate is early '70 CA, reg pass iss, w/year of exp tag
I've been looking for one of these for awhile now and was finally able to track one down for my car.
Pray Automobile Corp. in Greenwich, CT.
. . . . from the '69 PDL . . .
917/002/1
Pray Automobile Corporation
212 West Putman (?) Ave
Greenwich, CT
After (--- from the '70 and later PDLs) . . .
Pray Porsche Audi Corporation
181 W. Putnam (?) Ave
etc, etc
Nice one, Jeff
Great stuff. Love the Economotors archie-tecture stuffed with 911s, and the EMPI wheels on the red hotrod Beetle. :)
Pray Porsche Audi
Bright Volkswagen, Inc
430 E. Sprague
Spokane, WA
From the Aug '68 PDL
Med blue back-round w/flash-chromed lettering + frame, no maker's marks/ID
Plate is '68 issue, std WA pass, G = Clark County, annual reg sticker