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Dear forum.
I own a 73T targa with a non matching engine.
I would love to find out what the original engine number was but, as you all know, Porsche won't give me this information any more.
Does anyone eventually know a different way to obtain this number?
Any help is appreciated!
Thank you!
Greetings from rainy Hamburg.
Christian
Start with posting the VIN, color, and known history.
Good old-fashioned sleuthing is a great place to start.
+1 on what Frank says Also what market was it delivered into - are there likely to be any historical records that can be found anywhere including on line for registration, servicing. etc that may note an engine number Do you have the name of any previous owner that you can work backwards from (or even find that document that they forgot to pass on)
Okay, let's start this over!
This is what I know so far
The car was originally delivered at a dealership in Fellbach near Stuttgart.
I already tried to get some info from them but they don´t have any paperwork from that time.
The next thing I know is that it went from Germany to Switzerland where the last owner bought it still with the original engine.
He was a guy from the US where he returned after some years.
Back in California he swapped the 2.4l engine for the 2.2l now with the car. It was in a small shop he doesn't remember the name of.
He moved to Colorado with the car and that's where I bought it some months ago.
The history I got with the car is from a time when the engine was already swapped - so no luck there.
The technical details are as follows:
1973 911 Targa
VIN 9113510120
Signal Orange
Thank you very much for your help!
Best.
Christian
P.S: That´s what it looks like:
Attachment 476860Attachment 476860
What area or city in Cal was this “small shop” located in?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenT
And when did the swap occured?
I just wrote to the former owner in the hope that he can give me some more information about that shop.
In a previous email he just stated, that it was a small independent garage and that the engine was swapped in the late 80ies.
I will let you know when I know more.
Thanks again.
Christian
I imagine that the Porsche dealership in Fellbach was Hahn Sportwagen, wasn't it?
Your absolutely right!
Sadly they don't keep records older that 10 years.
My 928 CS was delivered there and I would love to find information of its early life. Too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenT
Hahn is still in Business, but unfortunatly only VW/Audi.
I think they still offer Porsches in Böblingen - the Porsche Zentrum Böblingen is part of the Hahn Gruppe.
I just got news from the previous owner.
The engine swap didn't take place in the US - it happened in Zurich around 85 or 86 in a Porsche garage but not a Porsche dealership. Name is unknown...
That leads to the very likely conclusion that the engine is still in good old Europe.
Eventually.
Does this help - I doubt it but maybe anyone around here has an idea how to move on.
Can one get a kardex for a '73 through the usual non-Porsche sources?
GoldenT
The car you posted a picture of is signal yellow not signal orange.
Regards
Mike
This is signal orange
https://i.postimg.cc/63ywbjZZ/180392...EC2-F2-F48.jpg
Regards
Mike
Makes me think Daetwyler.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenT
Yea, my fault.
I bought it as signal orange but later learned it is actually signal yellow.
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Originally Posted by 210bhp
is there any chance that it was registered in Switzerland before the engine swap and there may be a registration record there showing its engine number. Maybe a Swiss member can comment on that. Given it was not imported there new I suspect the normal very informative AMAG records there wont apply
Why? (I have one of his Ferrari’s)Quote:
Originally Posted by uai
Well he was "the" independent Porsche Shop in Zürich.
He was actually a wealthy industrialist, friend of Enzo, and his company still exists. Perhaps they also owned a shop but it wouldn’t be typical. Perhaps a different Dwaetyler than Willy Peter D?? He raced Alfa’s, Ferrari’s and Maseratis, never a Porsche to my knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by uai
I am not sure whether the car was first registered in Germany and then brought to Switzerland or directly sold from Hahn to Switzerland (but I guess that's not very likely).
Anyway I will try to get in touch with the Straßenverkehrsamt Kanton Zürich (Department Of Traffic) and eventually they will contact me.
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Originally Posted by HughH
Sorry my wrong Otto Dätwyler was the Porsche Shop in Zürich... not willy so wrong linkQuote:
Originally Posted by rower
Did/does Otto have a son named Chris?Quote:
Originally Posted by uai
I mentioned that name to the previous owner. Maybe...Quote:
Originally Posted by uai
I didn't want to let this thread die without telling you about my latest efforts to find "my" engine.
As I already expected the chance of finding it diminishes at each attempt I take.
a) The name of the independent Porsche shop in Zürich is lost in time - the former owner can't remember the name.
b) Porsche (or at leasts the contacts I have to Porsche) won't let me know the correct engine number.
c) Porsche Hahn in Fellbach deletes their records after 10 years.
d) I also contacted the Kanton Zürich Straßenverkehrsamt (traffic licensing department) that told me that they don't keep records longer than 10 years - but they hand them on to a different part of the administration the Bundesamt für Strassen.
I had the chance to talk to a very friendly woman at this office and she really took the time to have a look at their old records of my Porsche - amazing!! Sadly she could only tell me about the number of previous owners (2) and when the car came to Switzerland (1974). But they don't keep records when an engine is swapped for a new one.
So here I am stranded in a blind alley.
I guess the only thing I could do is to contact all the independent shops in Zürich that were there in the 80ies and are still existing.
Do you know of any?
Or does one of you have any other ideas??
Thank you very much!