are there any informations out there about the date of luftgekuehlt 2019in LA ?
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are there any informations out there about the date of luftgekuehlt 2019in LA ?
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This notice just started showing up on various IG feeds this morning.
Let’s hope they find a tasteful location with mega parking finally! Maybe Ventura Fairgrounds again. That was always a nice location for the shows of the past.
Somewhere in Los Angeles or LA County, like all of them have been.
You will notice all venues have been theme oriented except the first one which was just a parking lot.
. . . 'submissions' open . . .
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Has anyone gotten notified if they've been selected/denied? Assuming "no later than April 5th" means April 5th and not a minute earlier.
noting so far today. But there are 7 hours left in the day
just checked website, says ticket available tomorrow.
https://luftgekuhlt.com/luft-6-info
Anyone got notification of their car being invited to the show?
-Kav
Got an email at 1158PDT saying too many cars were submitted , they need more time. Be patient
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Originally Posted by DavidRS
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. . . things were already . . . busy? . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...l=1#post866150
. . . and that was three years, ago
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Universal Studios Backlot- Hollywood, CA
Cool venue! Anyone get their car accepted?
-Kav
Yes!
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Yes! My car was invited....
. . . to accommodate your car . . .'
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Originally Posted by Rolly
Be sure to take/share some pics?
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I'm in too - lucky to make the storyline. I'll be driving my 1972 911 T from Seattle to the event.
Should be an awesome venue --- curbside parking on a city street movie set . . .
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$65 for early walk-in, $45 for 10AM walk-ins. CA and LA county taxes on top of both at around +9%. I believe parking is a flat $25, based on what I was able to find separately online for Universal Studios.
Does this strike anyone else as a bit excessive?
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Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
Well, when I think about what it could cost to prep/take over/use/clean-up a venue like that for a day --- not to mention any event insurance to cover, ya know, stupidness . . .
. . . surprised this event hasn't moved outta state, by now
http://www.freeby50.com/2012/07/lawy...-per-city.html
https://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordp...pita-by-state/
Then/again --- not holding my breath for an East Coast Version . . .
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Yes, I think it is pricey.
And the night before at Petersen is another $55 cars and coffee.
(I think for many, this is their cost to build business relationships, to sell something)
And don’t forget, you can’t bring in food, and have to stand in line to buy theirs. So add that.
(This year, I am sneaking my own food inside my coat)
You can go to Disney for $100 till midnight, and they let you ride the rides.
(Yet, last year I got 2 bus rides)
Honestly, I would rather buy paint or new rubber, or a vintage grill badge.
I go so I can spend time with my brother, which is priceless. He is as funny as Will Ferrell.
So I wouldn’t miss it.
Word on the street is that it's going to sell out in record time. They could probably charge double and still sell out. From that perspective, I think it's a bargain.
Careful. I imagine someone will be along to delete that post poste-haste!Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
Yep, perfectly great 3.2l in a 69 body. But no room. Guess my provenance is not good enough. Maybe this is becoming a very elitist deal. Seems like the folks who are the most interested, may not get in to the diplay area. I'm thinking probably not paying $65 to park somewhere away from the venue.
Exactly, and agreed. My RUF restored 73RS was rejected. Ridiculous, especially considering some of the cars that I know were accepted. Oh well, who knows what the parameters were...Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidRS
Wow! A RUF 73RS was rejected? Wonder what cars made the list?Quote:
Originally Posted by 69Sman
I personally have never gone but hope to this year. It just looks like they do an awesome job. $65 seems reasonable for all that staging they do.
My car was accepted, but I'm having trouble in the checkout process. It keeps telling me I need to sign the event waiver. I don't see an event waiver?
Anyone else having the same issue?
I'm curious as to your thinking. Why would you think that the people displaying, who obviously own some nice cars, would be less interested (or less worthy, perhaps?) than those who were rejected? Does owning a car that was chosen to be displayed automatically make you an elitist and somehow less deserving?Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidRS
Is there a preferred hotel? Where will everyone stay on Friday night?
When I posted my car it was because of my excitement for it being chosen to be included in the event. I didn't realize how really lucky I was. I also didn't think of it as any indication of elitism. It's just an R Gruppe car - not concours or even close. It's a modded '72T that I happened to develop starting in 1998 for a specific purpose and then use for that purpose over the next dozen years. It's being part of a club that later limited its membership to 300 is probably more arbitrary than anything else. I look at its inclusion in Luft 6 the same way, although knowing Patrick and Jeff I'm sure there was a reasoned approach.
It must have been next to impossible task to pick the display cars. I have photographed Stacy's RS and it is awesome, one of a kind really. It belongs in any show. I hope everyone gets a chance to see it soon.
Hear-hearQuote:
Originally Posted by LiveFromNY
I mean --- Mssrs Zwart + Long have grown this thing from a little get-together in a retail parking lot to THIS . . . in 5 years. Good for them --- + us
I'm not exactly crazy about crowds, but who knows how big their event will get? . . . or how long it 'll last
And consider the demographic, too. A LOT of the people that I saw at Luft3 didn't exactly strike me as Car People, soooo . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...l=1#post866912
. . . if these shows manage to attract people who don't normally go to 'car shows,' then . . .
. . . can that really be a bad thing?
Regardless, there's lotsa people, here in SoCal --- all with money in their pockets . . . who'll pony-up to attend an event like this, so . . .
. . . 'lead, follow --- or get outta the way'
Personally? --- I'm waiting for TV coverage
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For those of us not blessed enough to live behind the Orange Curtain, it is worth it to have such an "event" to make the trip to. Add in flights, hotel, rental car, the cost of the actual event tickets are less than bothersome. But to me, this is my Disneyland. Heck, even my wife wished she was able to come to this one.
Oooooo --- the ironyQuote:
Originally Posted by DavidRS
IMO . . .
. . . our whole site is an 'elitist deal' --- almost by definition
Think about what gets discussed, here . . .
. . . matching numbers, Kardexes, provenance, etc, etc
And there are only ever a few hundred people on this site, at any given time. Zwart + Long could pull a hundred times that number in for their event
And how many of the people who throw down their money to attend know anything about 'matching' or 'correct'? --- or even care?
And what about Zwart + Long? --- why do they stage these events, in the first place? . . . .
. . . and just what do you think Luftgekühlt is all about? . . .
. . . vs Our Little Corner?
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. . . IMO . . .
. . . Luftgekühlt is more than just a Car Show
I don't even think it's that much about The Cars . . .
. . . rather more about The Audience
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Originally Posted by lkadams
. . . = economic impact statement
(Every dollar spent at the event generates X-dollars for the community)
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Several of us from the So Cal Porsche scene with 25-30 years of ties, had our cars denied. This event is becoming a “cronies” event. Some of the cars there in the last few years were garbage. If the event is not about the cars then what’s the point? Call it a “cool guys, with retro industrial vibes, and giant wrist watches” convention. Think of a bunch of Richard Rawlings looking guys in Piloti shoes and Starbucks walking around. It’s way over priced, the locations are generally crappy to get to, and parking and crowd control was really not welcoming the last few years. I like Patrick Long, but this thing is losing its way. No thanks, I’ll go burn my tires off in a canyon somewhere, and get a coffee at a diner.
As I think about it.
It’s an “identity’ show.
For some people wanting to show their identity...which is just fine.
For other people wanting to find an identity...
For some wanting to identify with the identities...
For me, I like seeing what mankind has done with metal and glass and leather and color.
I kept going year after year in hopes to see a car in the color olive...which finally happened last year.
So the people whose cars were accepted are happy and love the show but those whose cars were rejected think the show isn’t about the cars and it’s elitist? ��
Obviously the show doesn’t have enough spots and they may make arbitrary decisions. Isn’t enough of a reason impending my book to hate on them.
apologies for the elitist comment in my earlier post. But having attended for the past 3 years, I find the logic of who is in and who is not less than transparent. This lack of criteria lends itself to cronyism or favorites. Easy to select who you know. Pretty sure the R Gruppe guys are in. The lumber yard was interesting and seemed to allow a good number of just regular cars in, but it lacked character. The San Pedro even foreshadowed this event by its clear separation. An extra $20 or so to park in a Porsche only lot but separate from the action. Hey, great cars in that venue plus craft beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by xpensivewino
Cudos to Long and Zwart. However, given the pricing, the swag and branded stuff, my sense is they are making a bunch of money on the back of the air-cooled community. Again, good for them. So what really gets in you in? Driving from the east coast? Hand built components, unique design, right stance, who you know, all of these? Big events demand transparency, this event is the poster child for opaque
Hogwash. By who and to whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidRS
The way I see it, it's their event and they can do exactly as they wish with it. And the rest of us can vote with our dollars. I'm just thankful for the opportunity to attend and see some great cars.
I am complete agreement with you. Just don't advertise this as an air-cooled meet. Advertise it as an art show that includes aircooled carsQuote:
Originally Posted by LiveFromNY
This will be my forth Luft - I've enjoyed all of them, but the last two were definitely less like a car gathering and more like a concert with the long lines for food and toilets. Even though I feel like I'm starting to see many of the same cars repeated in the display area, there has been plenty of eye candy to make it well worth it for me to go back. My car was rejected - its a former R Gruppe car and is definitely different than most 911s that show up for the local C&C, but its not a show car. I just wanted to get "in" so I could pack in my own food, haha. I prefer Rennsport Reunion or the historic races at Laguna Seca, but I'll keep going to Luft until the lines start to resemble Disneyland... It would be interesting if a renegade gathering would pop up nearby - sort of like we have seen at Sundance Film Festival. Parallel festivals like "Slamdance" aimed at the alternative crowd popped up around the film festival and proved to be pretty cool and well attended.
I’m assuming you’ve figured it out by now? There was a little box that you need to checkQuote:
Originally Posted by turbo993
The even waiver is just a box that you check.
There ya goQuote:
Originally Posted by LiveFromNY
The last Luft that we attended was #3. I’d gone on-line and received our invite, along with specific instructions + times, which --- judging from the pack at the entrance . . . seems many ignored. Not a big problem = crowds in SoCal are pretty-much a given. We liked the venue, but by the time we got inside, the car placement seemed a bit hurried-bordering-on-haphazard, especially as the number of attendees swelled. Some of the cars had been specifically placed + organized and there was some pretty cool stuff to see --- the RS display comes to mind. But most of the rest of us were just parked as space allowed. I thought the idea for the venue was brilliant --- a green-less industrial site = all the cars really popped . . . but given the way the event was organized . . .
. . . = just another car show . . . + kinda disappointing
Skipped the next two events, although it seems that with the last one --- inside a lumber yard? . . . Luft found its stride . . . = sorry I missed. Which was why I applied for this. I’m not sure how big the display area will be but --- a city-set @Universal Studios? . . . sounds epic. Plus, given the venue in general --- I’m thinking that the Organizers actually have a site that’s specifically designed/built for handling crowds
Short Version = I’d expect a blow-out --- + possibly a ‘break-out’ event . . .
I mean --- it’s one thing to put-together a bunch of cars w/ a band of Social Mediums in some anonymous industrial park, sell 'em some beer + swag, then call it an 'event.' Now you take your car-circus to Universal Studios? . . .
. . . THAT’s gonna attract some attention . . .
. . . + did I mention TV coverage?
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My dad's blue car was accepted. Frankly, I think the reason it got accepted is because A) it was his car and B) it's going to be the car's last hurrah in the care of our family before it finds a new caretaker. And that was what I wrote in the submission and, I think, whomever did the choosing saw value in that story (and the fact that it's Gemini Blue).
Does it absolutely break my heart that Stacy's RS didn't get accepted? Yes. Absolutely it does. And that is 90% selfish because I've been taking care of that car for the last decade and think it's one of the coolest RSs in the world based on its history with Ruf.
But here's the thing ... it's a cART show. The cars are art and the whole thing is an installation. Pat, Howie, and Jeff have the thankless job of putting it all together for us to enjoy. And like any business (because that is EXACTLY was Luftgekuhlt is), you can't make everyone happy all the time ... you just have to do your best work all the time and know that some people are just gonna end up unhappy. It sucks, but that's life.
These guys have a vision; they are trying to create something that is both inclusive and aesthetically pleasing. Perhaps Stacy's car, or your car, or your car, or your car didn't quite fit the vision of the art installation that these guys are creating. And don't forget, it's the 50th anniversary of the 914 ... perhaps a mid-engine theme is going to take place and there were just too many 917s, 904s, 906s, 908s, and 910s registered that the 911 crowd had to share space.
Last year at Ganhal there were too many cars. Fact. The event was ULTRA inclusive and, yet, some people still got left out. So you have to ask yourself, is a highly-curated event with spectacular cars staged in an ultra-cool space that allows for AMAZING photos from virtually every angle what you want? Or do you just want to park your car inside the show so you can bring your own food and save a buck? What's more important to you?
The negative response here is, frankly, shocking to me. In a time when cars and coffee events are ubiquitous and becoming more and more boring and cookie cutter, I find Luftgekuhlt refreshing. Going to a mall parking lot is totally inclusive, but it's that lack of "curation" that I find completely boring. And it's the same cars every weekend. Super boring and I can only handle, like, 30min before I need to seek refuge in motion. But Luft is different. Pat reminded me the other day that I once called Luft a gathering Porsche Hipsters (yes, he reads the boards and probably this thread). I was right in that assessment - it was in Venice and there were hipsters everywhere - but I was wrong in my implication. Now when I look back I see that these guys were building something ... it took a little while to put a finer point on it, but I think they've really hit their stride. And pulling down the Universal back lot is MEGA.
Am I excited to be included in the event? ABSOLUTELY. But I'm more pumped about the venue than the fact that the car got in. I grew up in SoCal and have taken the back lot tram tour more times than I can recall, and I've always wanted to just bail out of the tour and walk around what I think is a space that's as magical (and arguably more historical) as Disneyland. Even if my dad's car was denied the opportunity to participate I can 100% guarantee that I would attend the event just to say that I was there.
So I urge the naysayers and disgruntled complainers to take a step back and try to look at the bigger picture of what Luft is in relation to the car culture landscape as a whole. Try and think of the event as an art installation that we are allowed to participate in. Again, what Pat and the boys are doing is a largely thankless job. We are lucky they are passionate enough about the whole thing to even do it all, because the alternative is to go to a parking lot somewhere like you did last week, with the same people as last week, and look at the same cars as last week, and tell the same stories as last week.
Luft is once a year because it's MEGA. And I'm glad that it is...
I couldn’t of said it any better Marco.
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Originally Posted by Mr9146
WOUCH!, well --- I was disappointed about not getting in . . . especially because of the venue. Then/again, I also had some mixed feelings about how all this would be organized --- especially given my last experience . . . as well as with another recent one . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by rower
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...opean-Car-Show
I will say that there are a LOT of Porsches --- + Porsche People . . . here in SoCal. And between PCA, The Registry, R-Gruppe, and POC, well . . .
. . . 250 slots could be filled + multiple times, and still not everyone would be happy
'At's just how it goes, folks
Interesting/little disappointing that --- despite the attention/participation the event gets on our site . . . zero comment from the Organizers + their Side-kicks, here
Stout is a collaborator of Zwart ‘s . . . + Patrick Long is/was on this site
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I've been to 2-5 with my car (number 1 was put together over social media - Ahhh… where's Chuck?)
This year my car was not excepted... and it stung for about a day... :(
After think'n it over I ended up buying a 8:00am pedestrian ticket....
To me these events our now annual Air Cooled happenings, with your car or not..... better with... ;)
I just hope 'they' keep using email... :rolleyes:
cm
Hi everyone
i planted the seed with a venue that MAY be set for the Sunday morning , after Luft, for an all Porsche gathering. FREE !
This is not an anti-Luft event, but an opportunity for those of you to park all your cars together , share the camaraderie, and enjoy the marque.
AND maps will be provided for local tour roads that won't disappoint.
The location will be posted here as soon as the ink is dry.
Stay tuned!
Dave
Right on. Marco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr9146
Your dad was what I love about this community. Was thinking of him just the other day after 2 years. For so many reasons, his blur car is the right car for this event - and none of them are arbitrary. Kudos to Patrick, Jeff, and Howie for including it.
^ Great pic, Randy!
Glad to see the blue car get in (have nothing to do with the picks), and think Marco summed it up well. Location is very cool, and if at all like previous shows, should be a lot of fun!
Hope to see some/all of you there...
pete
. . . now that Marco wrote . . .
. . . do seem to recall that there was some mention made in the submission form about a 'story-line' relating to the entry. Didn't make much effort = :o . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr9146
Hey, the box they gave was really-really small, K?
Funny, too, 'cause I'm always bugging people to tell Their Story
Ok/well . . . maybe Next Time, then?
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Well said, Marco...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr9146
John
Olive Green...got just the car your looking for at Lüft6; be sure to visit Ryan's (of Eibach springs) hot rod SC. So many cool bits on his build...right down to the ceramic coated (bronze) headersQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott A
Toughen up cry-babies. Ive been to all except the first from Australia! Show your passion and stop complaining...
I attended Luft 5 last year as a spectator- and had a blast! This year I am fortunate enough to be accepted in the 'Storyline' area for Luft 6 with my new to me 1968 'Brumos Bahama Mama'. I am really looking forward to the event. I am also displaying my Porsche at the Petersen 'AIR MEETS WATER' event on Friday, May 1oth. Please stop by at either (or both) events and say hi. See you there!
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Today, I heard that Luftgekuehlt was purchased by Porsche.
I heard that last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott A
It would make sense for them to do that.
Rumors are dumb. Without named sources it’s nothing but hearsay and idle chatter.
yes I would agree with you, rumors are rumors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr9146
it is just that this time, this was told to me by a guy in direct contact with the founders....and supplies many of the special cars and factory racers we have seen there.
Not that any of it matters...just that things change. I was just surprised when he told me.
Well said sirQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr9146
. . . + please share any pics?
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Does anyone have the actual address for Universal Studios Backlot - Gate 2? I will be taking Uber over directly from the Burbank airport and not sure if the current address description will suffice.
Universal Studios, 3900 Lankershim Boulevard, Universal, City, CA 91608Quote:
Originally Posted by stevesc_us
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https://petersentickets.org/products...27670968270913
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Originally Posted by LongRanger
Doug,
Thanks for posting the map and the address for Luft 6. Mucho appreciated.
Looking forward to a great weekend of Porsche overload. My father and I will be at the Petersen Friday night with his '72 T and then Luft on Saturday minus the car...if you're there, say hello!
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bf7f815a60.jpgIMG_2499 2 by Michael Small, on Flickr
Thanks, Doug.Quote:
Originally Posted by DOUGS73E
John
. . . and don't forget to maybe share some pix?
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Originally Posted by LongRanger
^ Sorry I missed this. What were/are you looking for in terms of comment?
000 was a sponsor of Luft this year as in years past, and led the vault tour (all proceeds went to the Petersen), but was not involved in organizing the event.
Pete if all the proceeds went to the Petersen, then it was more than kind of you to give us all hats! I was in the later tour and was impressed you still had any voice left at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by stout
^ We just wanted to make sure people felt they got their money's worth...was generous of the Pete to lift photo restrictions, something we didn't know they were going to do (we remain fans of the Petersen). Was great to be with both groups, and thank you for coming!Quote:
Originally Posted by lkadams
pete
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Originally Posted by stout
Would 've been nice if you'd maybe posted some notice of the Petersen Tour?
I'm not a member of the museum and only found out about the tour on some other site --- BaT, I think? . . .
. . . + only after admission to the event was closed
Don't suppose you have any pics to share?
Been nice if some of the more-local (to the Petersen) visitors here had had a chance to join in . . .
. . . like me
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^ Fair criticism, I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
Promotion/sales of the vault tour was Petersen's space. Suppose we could have done something, too, but tickets in the first batch sold out in 48 hours before we knew they were FS. We held some back in the second batch for S subscribers, and reached out to them with free general reception tix plus discounted VIP and access to vault tour tix, and I believe the latter sold out pretty quickly as well. No pics to share, as I was giving the tour, but can hassle someone who helps us who was present.
As for locals, there's something "000" coming back to the southwest later this year, for more people than the two small groups we could take through the vault—will definitely announce with some notice!
Gosh --- I sure hope not. To me, 'criticism' always smacks of disagreement, sides being taken. I prefer observationQuote:
Originally Posted by stout
This is a VERY small community, here --- I mean, I've been here ten years and never see more than a few hundred of us online, at any given time . . . not surprising considering the tiny corner of the Porsche world that's focused-on, here. And many of us are only voyeurs, anyway . . .
. . . which would make something like a tour of the Petersen so appealing
And --- since you come here . . .
. . . be nice if you'd share about these kinds of events
As for pics, well --- please don't 'hassle' anyone
I mean --- if no one took any? . . .
. . . did it really happen?
;)
'Hassle'? . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...light=petersen
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Amazing.
I thought my point that criticism was an appropriate word was just?
You disagree Chuck?
^ Fair observation, fair criticism…not sure I see such a huge difference in those two words in this usage, and certainly didn't mean to infer one. Fwiw, I don't view "criticism" as a negative in quite the same way others (most?) seem to. I view it as something to grow from. In this way, I think "criticism" is an appropriate word here...especially as it led to what we could have done better in someone else's view.
As to photos, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the word ""hassle" either, and didn't mean to. I need to see if someone helping 000 took photos of me while I was speaking, but I'll be honest in saying that posting photos of myself isn't a high priority because I'm not all that excited about being a "personality." We all give in our own ways, and there's nothing wrong with that. I appreciate some personalities a great deal, and get a kick out of their contributions.
Your link is awesome, btw. Missed that first time around, and it's a boon to those who couldn't go to the museum…
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Thanks for that!Quote:
Originally Posted by stout
Lotta stuff goes on that some of us can't get to, so, taking a picture? . . . easy to do + share
'Sides . . . when would I ever see that Type 64 again? That pic may be all I'll have to remember it by
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http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...tgekuhlt-6-WOW!
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. . . c/o Porsche Club Great Britain . . .
'. . . Luft is not merely a gathering of some of the finest aircooled Porsche’s from around the world but a celebration of the people and the culture that makes the marque what it is today.
To set the scene, Californian car culture is diverse and expressive. Whether you’re driving down Rodeo Drive or through the streets of Burbank it’s apparent that Californian Porsche enthusiasts are brave, bold and passionate.
It’s not uncommon to see an SWB 911 doing the supermarket run or a 914-6 parked up at the beach. Far from being reserved for the weekend, Porsche culture is ingrained into the daily lives of the place and the people that made it Porsche’s largest market outside of Europe.
Luft is the absolute epitome of this. No better is the blend of culture, diversity and history clebrated than seeing the RUF yellowbird parked next 3.0L 914s. The backdrop of Universal Studios’ backlot tied the entire event together in a perfectly packed experience . . .'
https://www.porscheclubgb.com/news-a...-luftgekuhlt-6
. . . + their gallery . . .
https://www.porscheclubgb.com/commun.../luftgekuhlt-6
Notta lotta commentary --- but some pretty pics
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In case anybody missed it, here's my feature article and photos at Road Scholars Magazine. Enjoy! :
https://roadscholars.com/rs-magazine/