1969 911S Versuch/Experimental found. Kardex Porsche factory driver Kurt Ahrens jr.

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Originally Posted by Fubawu

Hi Wolf
The last paragraph is a bit confusing, are you saying that Mr Lorz received the car first or after Ahrens. I spoke with Ahrens son
only an hour ago and he said they believed it was a test car?

In regards to Sportmatic, Ahrens must be confusing the two cars as this is a 5 speed. Wolfgang
had told me earlier that Ahrens had mistaken the two cars earlier. So the hunt continues for a picture of this car.

Either way the Porsche plates information is new to me, thanks for sharing!

Wolf , I will have those pictures you requested this afternoon.

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Mr Lorz was the first, who used 119300950, then his daughter. Then it was purchased by Mr. Ahrens. And I have spoken with him personally.

The term "test car" is for sure a linguistic inaccuracy, since Mr. Ahrens told me some days ago that these so called "test cars" were offered to some people, e.g race drivers or celebrities, mostly with low mileage and to reduced prices. For the race drivers this was a possibility to earn some extra money and therefore was welcome.

As to the Sportomatic I assume in fact now that we could talk about two different cars, the one, which we can realize as photographed and the one -119300950 - which he bought, for a "special" price in 1970 and which he resold quickly afterwards.

. . . ask him . . .


. . . 'ever been to Henderson, North Carolina --- recently, like . . . 2014?' . . .

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Originally Posted by LongRanger

. . . So, I'm sitting here, pulling together my thoughts + writing --- when a call comes in . . .

Mark Allbaugh --- PO #7

We haven't talked for a while, so --- we do some quick catching up . . .

Then Mark tells me that his boy Alex is back in school + working at a car wash --- + tells me a story


One day, this Guy comes in to the car wash --- older, fit, German . . . with a Bentley

So Alex sees the Guy's high-end car + chats him up, friendly . . .

Turns out the Guy used to be a Racer . . .

. . . for Porsche

So --- Alex mentions his Dad . . .

. . . + mentions Mr Siffert's car


Guy's floored


'. . . we were close friends . . .'



Now --- this all happened 2 weeks ago. And Alex never got a name

Henderson, NC

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. . . 'you ever own a Bentley?'




Meanwhile --- I'm sending Mr Ahrens' picture to Mark Allbaugh




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Originally Posted by wgm

Mr Lorz was the first, who used 119300950, then his daughter. Then it was purchased by Mr. Ahrens. And I have spoken with him personally.

The term "test car" is for sure a linguistic inaccuracy, since Mr. Ahrens told me some days ago that these so called "test cars" were offered to some people, e.g race drivers or celebrities, mostly with low mileage and to reduced prices. For the race drivers this was a possibility to earn some extra money and therefore was welcome.

As to the Sportomatic I assume in fact now that we could talk about two different cars, the one, which we can realize as photographed and the one -119300950 - which he bought, for a "special" price in 1970 and which he resold quickly afterwards.

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I think we have the stories mixed as well.Mr Lorz must of had the 68 car and sold it. As 119300950 was first registered to Ahrens.
Easy to get confused as he had two silver S cars within two years
Cheers
John

Sportomatic was a silver 68 which got Ahrens from Lorz, as seen on above pictures, VIN unknown.

69 is the one with above Kardex written "Versuch Ahrens" , verkauft an (sold) in May 1970 to Ahrens. VIN 0950.

He probably sold the 68 Sporto bought earlier from Lorz in 1970 because in May 1970, he bought the 69 VIN0950. And this car he also sold quickly again in 1970, to have a side income.

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Originally Posted by 911T1971

Sportomatic was a silver 68 which got Ahrens from Lorz, as seen on above pictures, VIN unknown.

69 is the one with above Kardex written "Versuch Ahrens" , verkauft an (sold) in May 1969 to Ahrens. He then sold it quickly again in 1970, according to him. Vin 0950.

(Vin and story are mixed. Story from silver68 and VIN from silver69)

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Perfect, now we are clear. Thanks for the information.

Here's a shot of the pedal box area, one thing I noticed when I pulled the carpets up, which wasn't an easy task. The carpets had moulded to the floor. Separating itself, anyways once I peeled it back here's the floor. No sound deadening or is this standard??

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I wonder what the Stuttgart numerplate it was factory registered on was? Jackie Oliver's Versuch car was registered "LEO ZA 24" in May 1971. I think there were a few factory cars in this "LEO ZA XX" number range?

The factory had three competition cars with serial numbers close to the number 119300950 on the Ahrens car.

Here's the information from HughH's thread "Werks 911 Rally cars 1965-1972" and a link.

119300912 engine 6390004 S-M 2927
119300931 engine ?? S-M 2928
119300932 engine 6390010 S-M 2929

https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...l=1#post556894

It is possible that the Ahrens car was registered around the same time and had a S-M XXXX Stuttgart plate.

It is interesting that while the VIN's are comparable, the engine #'s are worlds apart. The competition engines are possibly from a reserved serial group set aside?

6390004 was first installed in 320017 aka 119300004 a GTS. Build information for 00004 says engine was standard 911S.