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  1. #171
    Allen- very interesting. Something else in that photo jumps out... The pliers. They don't look like what I've seen in LWB kits, do they?

    Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Henderson View Post
    Fun with tools guys !

    Time to throw a monkey wrench in the werks Back in 2014 "helosixx" in post #12, showed photos of an "original kit" with DIN wrenches. At the time I was totally dismissive of these wrenches since I'd never seen them in a kit. But, perhaps?, live and learn. The last photo of three here is taken from the new RS Book by Drs. Gruber and Konradsheim and cleary shows the same DIN wrenches with the accepted reversible screwdriver) and other tools of the RS kit. I believe I saw this same photo in the first RS book too? I don't know from where the authors took this photo. Does anyone know? In any case, although very rare, it may well be that some late 1972 and 1973 kits came with DIN wrenches. Input? Examples? Thanks !

    -Allen-
    I think they might have run out of tools that day at the factory, so Jurgen yelled to Helmut to run down to the local flaps, PäP Boys "Manfred, Max and Jakob" to pick up a few sets of wrenches to fill out the kits......
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  3. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Peanut View Post
    Allen- very interesting. Something else in that photo jumps out... The pliers. They don't look like what I've seen in LWB kits, do they?

    Scott
    Yes, I agree. The painted black handles of the pliers are reminiscent of Porsche 356A pliers. It does look like this RS kit was kinda thrown together. However, it does have the correct complement of tools and correct unique screwdriver and late and correct spark plug wrench. So it is strange and why I'd like to know where the photo came from. Thanks.

    -Allen-
    Last edited by Allen Henderson; 05-17-2017 at 01:17 AM.

  4. #174

    For reference toolkit information about 1972 production first 500 series Carrera RS

    Hi Allen/tool folks

    My 1972 RS 02xx did not have din spanners in its kit. Old Din standard tools are commonplace here in Europe and can be picked up here for pennies. As others explained Din 911 is a now supeceded standard for hex socket screw keys. The din 895 for example was a standard # for handtool (wrench) as seen on the spanners.

    The car came to me with the complete kit, jack, dräger etc in the front compartment. No reason to doubt it is original toolkit for this RS with continious chain of only a few previous owners all of whom I've spoken to / corresponded with over many years. I've had this car since early nineties. Prior owners were not likley to be messing about with date-stamp matching their 911 tool kit Phoenix belts in that era especially as all car's PO were Automotive Industry /Motorsport folks -- none were 911 concours show guys!

    For Reference: it is the two cloth tie wrap flap Jusin bag - not the other snap, clasp , lined etc bag styles sometimes ascribed as original to a genuine RS. Kit still has its original Phoenix belt that is in excellent condition; the belt marking colours are still sharp and the printed date code on it is still very clear -- corresponding to very early 1973. Car is RHD British market RS, so can't speak for other geographies.

    As many will recognise, the photo in the Carrera RS Books (first published around time I got my car) is an image reproduced from the model '73 driver's ( aka owner's) manual. Picture looks to be the same as in driver's booklet that came in glovebox of my car. The photograps in these booklets are not always the most reliable reference to 72/3 original features because content was sometimes recycled. Given the artistic arrangement of tools in this particular picture I suspect it was put together in photography studio just for the handbook publication. There is no separate reference to toolkit contents in the rare original blue English RS supplement to driver's manual that also came with my car, although the tyre inflator bottle is shown in the blue supplement.

    See below for "in black and white" evidence from back in the day that the first 500 series 1972 production date RHD British market RS M472 homologation cars were supplied with an unlined toolbag that had the flap /cloth ties.

    This is a photograph of the Porsche Cars Great Britain press RS demonstrator that was taken during its road test by a motoring weekly in 1973. Although the original magazine image is black and white/ small, the ends of the cloth ties are visible at the bottom left. No sign of things like light coloured inner liner or shiny clasps.
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    The reversible screwdriver was noted as being part of the RS toolkit in the tester's write-up.
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    This car pictured is the first RHD M472, chassis number 0061 that was produced in November 1972. A long term owned car. Its toolkit is same as supplied with / still in my 02xx vin car produced in December 1972. Evidence from this old magazine roadtest is consistent with the kit particularly the unused date coded Phoenix belt in my RS toolkit.

    I sometimes heard it said that the tie strap bag is correct for late 73 911 and so called "73.5" 911. Maybe that type of toolkit was still being used then but the "so called 73.5" variant wad not really relevant in m/any ROW country markets when new. Wouldn't exactly describe 11/72 production 911 pictured as late 73 model year example however?

    In any event, this photo seems to confirm the flap / cloth tie style of toolbag and reversible screwdriver were certainly supplied on eariest RS series; specifically examples of RS produced in November and December of 1972 for UK. Evidently that's what was supplied here with cars ordered as part of the original 500 homologation series that were reportedly sold out by October Paris Salon. "Correct" for the couple of handfuls or so RS of that 51 RHD quota on the road around late January /early February 73 over here in the UK. Since these examples were built using the two step conversion order process when and how the toolkit was put in the car might have been different to the series production cars.

    Original old photographs from reliable sources when cross referenced to long term owner cars can help establish facts, so sharing this as a reference for people interested in such details.

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    Steve
    Last edited by 911MRP; 08-27-2017 at 08:45 AM. Reason: Typo

  5. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Henderson View Post
    Fun with tools guys !

    Time to throw a monkey wrench in the werks Back in 2014 "helosixx" in post #12, showed photos of an "original kit" with DIN wrenches. At the time I was totally dismissive of these wrenches since I'd never seen them in a kit. But, perhaps? The last photo of three here is taken from the new RS Book by Drs. Gruber and Konradsheim and cleary shows the same DIN wrenches with the accepted reversible screwdriver and other tools of the RS kit. I believe I saw this same photo in the first RS book too? I don't know from where the authors took this photo. Does anyone know? Although very rare, it may well be that some late 1972 and 1973 kits came with DIN wrenches. Input? Examples?

    BTW I'm not suggesting this photo changes what we've come to accept as an authentic RS tool kit as shown several times in this thread. Rather, at least for the DIN wrenches they may have appeared in a few kits. As for the painted pliers, very hard to accept those in any early 911 kit ! Thanks.

    -Allen-
    Original 73.5 tool kit delivered with DIN wrenches as referenced in Allen's post.
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  6. #176

    Green dot Jacks and more.

    Tool and Jack geeks,

    So, I don't know jack. Recently I purchased a jack as (mostly, yes I do that sometimes) a learning experience. Jacks may or may not?, be part of a toolkit but they certainly are an integral part of a 911s equipment. So, Let's start with the "Green Dot Jacks," and work our way down from here. I found this on a post here http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ighlight=jacks BUT, let's not use links and get it ALL here. So, is there consensus, this is correct info? I have another question re. "the Green Dots" how about the ones with the SOLID (not heavy pressed or formed sheet metal) for the part that goes into the jack receiver, the solid ones, are they PORSCHE? After we figure all this out we can go to earlier jacks. Thanks !
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  7. #177

    Circa 1976 911 Jack?

    Here is a nice jack I recently purchased on this list, thinking it an "RS" jack (yes circa 1973 911) but came to believe it is more properly around a 1976 "Turbo" (yes 1976 911), jack. Is this correct?
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  8. #178
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Looks like a very nice, rarely used, 76 914 jack to me. NFW, is that a 911 jack

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    Jim
    Rookie Cadet, 911 Jack Police
    Last edited by Jim Breazeale; 09-14-2017 at 03:14 PM.

  9. #179

    the long and short of it...

    2 "LWB" lug nut wrenches of differing lengths and different 19MM stampings.
    comments ?
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  10. #180
    Interesting �� I asked the same in #166. Anxiously awaiting answer.

    Scott
    1968 911S
    2006 Carrera S - Peanut
    1973 BMW 3.0CS - Frances

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