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    Quote Originally Posted by fourteenten View Post
    Which VIN number is the viper green RS? Funny they say it was a very original car, weren't all cars very original when they left the assembly line? X ray the VIN number, do know what to make out of that statement.

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    Cees I suspect that they brought in Mark Waring or someone similar to use the special forensic Xray (or whatever it is) machine to make sure that the VIN had not been restamped at some point in time - ie it was wearing the vin that had been originally stamped into it before they started the restoration (there are far too many "RS's" and others that dont appear to be wearing the vin that the shell was born with these days )
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    I always find it puzzling that a "great" shop sees the need to promote themselves. And in this case possibly at the expense of this RS owner. Once this VIN becomes public (and it will), the value of this car will be diminished. Now if the proprietor of Tuthill owns the car he certainly has the freedom to expose its ravaged past. But the optics still scream self promotion.

    Obviously our culture doesn't value humility as it once did.

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    Doubt it is X ray, more likely magnetic, like NMR or MRI based measurement, nuclear magnetic resonance. https://regulaforensics.com/en/produ...n_number/7505/

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    Quote Originally Posted by fourteenten View Post
    Doubt it is X ray, more likely magnetic, like NMR or MRI based measurement, nuclear magnetic resonance. https://regulaforensics.com/en/produ...n_number/7505/

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    The nearest 'VIN Checker' to Tuthills would be Neil Bainbridge at BS Motorsport. The process is described as "scanning" the VIN to detect "metallurgical differences".

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    It's not NMR or MRI. It is basically the same technology used to read magnetic tape or conventional disk drive. Even when you rerecord over an audio tape, there is a remnant of the previous ferromagnetic signature (which is why you can also recover data on a disk drive unless a very, very sophisticated magnetization scrambling procedure is used. The magnetic domains have memory that is hard to completely wipe out. So even if someone altered the old VIN, there will be a tell. And of course if a different VIN panel was welded in, that's easy to detect.
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    You are right, I was wrong...the device does not create a stong magnetic field, would be too dangerous anyway. There is a market for this, suddenly we hear about cars come the that did not have the original engine and now after resto they are matching!
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    I am not sure how long 9113601008 has been a Friesinger's but "restoration" is well under way by looking at this
    It is hard to see properly but it looks like the body shell apart from the roof structure etc was relatively unscathed - but it is not clear if the photos of the vin and production number and other parts in reasonable condition are before or after any major work was done on them
    https://www.freisinger-motorsport.de...ail/10011.html




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    Hey, Adam . . .

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    And I wondered how the Sacramento Thing turned-out?



    . . . and I'm still waiting for 9113601008 to turn up . . .


    . . . somewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by HughH View Post
    . . . not sure how long 9113601008 has been a Friesinger's but "restoration" is well under way . . .

    . . . not clear if the photos of the vin and production number and other parts in reasonable condition
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    Not sure it would matter

    I still remember the Toad Hall car . . .
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    I'm just curious who owns 9113601008, now?



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    Quote Originally Posted by HughH View Post
    I am not sure how long 9113601008 has been a Friesinger's but "restoration" is well under way by looking at this
    It is hard to see properly but it looks like the body shell apart from the roof structure etc was relatively unscathed - but it is not clear if the photos of the vin and production number and other parts in reasonable condition are before or after any major work was done on them
    https://www.freisinger-motorsport.de...ail/10011.html
    Great to see it’s survived,as you say main tub looks good and some of the detail looks right.Interesting no strengthening plates welded in The engine bay corners from the factory!

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