Last edited by beh911; 09-12-2014 at 03:55 PM.
here is #2! 0231 is officially a SWT?
~J~
air cooled only
All MY 1969 sales literature for dealers lists BOTH choices for Targa's clearly available.
For RoW it was option 9316.
For US, it was option 9356.
By 1969 the SWT was delivered only as a two seater, since option 9282 (Luggage plattform instead of Standard rear seats) was mandatory. As member Soterik mentioned, US DoT did not accept rear seats on the open SWT to prevent passengers being harmed at a rollover. This might be the reason why 1969 SWT option codes differ btw US and RoW markets as RoW did could come with rear seats. Also, you could either order a FWT or SWT at similar costs, there was no special/extra price when ordering (See also post 14).
1969 "Sales Handbook " USA:
1969 Product Information & Specifications US:
1969 Accessories RoW: (option code differs to US spec)
1969 Acccessory USA: (option code differs to RoW spec)
Last edited by 911T1971; 09-16-2014 at 12:47 PM.
Registry member No.773
More on that, even the 1971 RoW Accessories brochure still lists the option under M 437 !
Also, the 1971 USA Dealer Pricelist lists "Soft rear window" on Targa under the same option 437.
It also indicated that choice for a SWT came at no charge (N.C.)
BTW, 911S US came standard w Sports seats or at No charge (N.C) w regular seats..
(Source: I own this literature)
Last edited by 911T1971; 09-16-2014 at 12:48 PM.
Registry member No.773
Heres' what I've learned :
1967 : All Targas' are SWT
1968: Porsche marketing decided after US DOT rules changed that ALL Targas' ( converibles) , SWT, were convertibles could NO longer have rear seats. Hence the seat delete
was mandatory in the rear after December 31, 1967. The factory had already began the glass window option production anticipating the change in the American Laws. Since these
cars were predominately headed for Cali, they continued limilted production on SWT, and continued with glass window with the rear seats. So coincidently there are less glass window Targas' in 1968 than SWT's. Currently, even though the production is lower of glass windows in 1968, we have decided the SWT's are much sexier making the values higher.
1969: The factory wanted to continue the Targa program, so the glass Targas' were the rule and the SWT's were very few, because these still only had two front seats and the "rear seat delete. No accountable person I've talked to knows for sure how many T, E, and S SWT's were produced and sold in MY 1969. The dealers were NOT able to sell the two seat Targas', so most here in SoCal would prefer the glass window Targas'. There are many whom have posted here on this board claiming production numbers they have heard through
unaudited sources. I would only guess that if Porsche really needed to know the answer to this ambiguous question, they could spend too much $$ to dig through archives and records
to figure this out. However, this has never been done , consequently, there is NO audited factual record for those of us who would like to know. The mitigating factor is currently, we cannot say for sure how many of these 1969 MY SWT's are still living on this planet. It is ALL heresy....heresy .
Thats' as much as I know, and I have spent way too much time and effort trying to get accountablity from Porsche. Even offering World Cup Soccer tickets as a Nuisance fee for just looking and to find out.
Jules: You're very good at your craft, however, Porsche was NOT an empirical formula company. They just wanted to sell cars, make $$, and to use parts from previous MY cars on newer cars: IE: the aluminum rear deck lid. I know now these items seem ridiculously important, but in 1960's it was trivial.
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Curt Autenrieth
S Registry # 152
Porsches:
1.6L 2.7L
1.8L 3.0L
2.0L 3.2L
2.2L 3.4L h20 cooled
2.4L 3.6L air & h20 cooled
3.8L
There is no question that 1969 SWT's were sold (and produced) in very few numbers as they were now essentially 2 seater-cars.
However and as asked by the initiater of this thread, its interesting to know that indeed option codes aka "order code" for MY 69 SWT existed, and well into MY 1971. Both choices were available at no extra cost for clients.
BTW and as stated in an earlier post, the last SWT was appearently built in May 1973, RoW.
Registry member No.773
Karim, that is the best information ever! thank you so much for posting. It looks like on the Kardex they used both '9356 SOFT WIN' (on the earlier MY69) and '9356 W. HECKSC' (on later production cars, with the W probably meaning 'Weiche') (or 9316 for RoW cars) for the soft window option early on. From what I have have learned now, (gathered with Karim's input), there are quite a few more than 6 or 8 SW Targas and a few that are claimed to be but have 9354 or 9355 as an option, which would indicate a fixed rear window.
Curt, I know the Kardex isn't the bible but I have no idea what other sources there would be to get more information on these 'critical dilemmas'. just kidding...
Jules
~J~
air cooled only
Another thread --- see post #24-25 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...92-Targa/page3
A 30-year owner, too --- congratulations!
Any details or stories to share?
And where did you find it? --- for sale
Last edited by LongRanger; 09-25-2014 at 07:31 PM.
JP (LivefromNY)'s 69S SWT kardex does not mention 9356... then again, his car had some numbering issues at birth, so probably not a reliable example. Maybe he will post it or allow me to do so.
While I knew 9356 was an option code I had never seen it until Jules kardex posts. Any more to share there ?
I think there are far more 69 SWTs produced than we realize, accept, and perpetuate with the 1 of "insert single digit" references all over the place...
Last edited by beh911; 09-12-2014 at 04:11 PM.