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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardnew View Post
    Wow And I really liked this car.

    Even if the owner is able to verify the VIN this car may be permanently damaged. When you have to explain the VIN people get nervous. The market shrinks biggly.

    Richard Newton
    VIN stamp area does not look kosher. Alu tag is a replacement stamped by... somebody. Red flags aplenty. Current owner may have been unaware of discrepancies until now. Will be bad if actual VIN is revealed to be a previously-stolen car. It's happened before...
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    The under hood stamp is about as hinky as they come. Heavy paint hiding something. Cut and paste + bondo?
    A bore scope comes in handy for situations like this.
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    nice job Steve!
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    http://www.dmv.org/vehicle-history/vin-fraud.php

    goodtogo may have a few words of wisdom since he's been here.
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    Free VIN check at NICB - National Insurance Crime Bureau for stolen vehicle

    https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud...ness/vincheck/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKM View Post
    That Viper Green RSR has an 11 digit serial number and a clear California title to match. Original serial number 91101220XX, now 91101220558. Might be possible to determine the original serial number if the production number under the knee pad is still present and can be linked back to the original serial number by Porsche or someone with original production records, albeit a long hot probably. An NICB or NCIC search of serial numbers 9110122000-9110122099 might reveal a car reported stolen in that serial number range but then that serial number must be connected to this car. Not likely.

    Neat car but would be very disappointing to spend $70K + and learn all this after the sale. The fake serial number was disclosed in plain sight on the auction listing header so buyer beware?

    Not sure if such an issue causes insurance problems. Would certainly be an issue for export or import to another country.

    Interesting that the forger did not create a correct 10 digit serial number. Why would the serial number be made up? Stolen?

    Appears the flaw just gets passed down the line from owner to owner.

    Scroll down to the last two photos for the trunk and latch panel serial numbers.

    Previous ad with fake serial number listed as well:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/291379092540?rmvSB=true

    Does anyone know if there is a way to link the production number under the dashboard knee pad to the original serial number? Do those records exist?
    Is this the same car previously posted here that was for sale at Auto Kennel? Both ended in 558 IIRC. Looks like a nice car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKM View Post
    Seems to me that the aluminum plate is not a replacement, but original and the last two original digits were overstamped by the three digits 558.
    Steve,

    I'm pretty sure the BaT car has a replacement VIN plate. The upper left hand 'box' has just '911'. The original plate, in the same location, would have 'Typ 911 T' and the next box would have 'C' for the series. The size of the VIN numbers on the original plates are smaller than the #s on the BaT car.

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    I have the same question about the VIN plate. Here's mine.

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    Also, notice the rivet heads. There's a story here.

    There may be nothing wrong but the fact you have to explain the VIN tag sure doesn't help the value on this car.

    Richard Newton
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    What were they asking for this car? (the viper green "RS")
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    A nice RSR tribute car is up for sale on eBay now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/112185856906?rmvSB=true Asking price is $110K. I don't think you could build it for under $150K:

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