65 - 66 production change over

[GarryD]

I've read a few books and tried to research the change over , I'm talking with the owner
of 303404 some say it's a 65 car , others say it's an early 66 ???

Any help would be appreciated

[LiveFromNY]

It's a 1966 model year car.

[Michael Winters]

If you follow the vin numbers then this is a BY1966 MY1966 car.
The last BY1965 MY1966 car was VIN 303390.
I own 303381.

Can you give me the info about the owner of 303404.
I am restoring my car and it would be useful for me and maybe for him to change over some details.
I am already quite a time looking for the correct latchpanel and location of my metal vin plate.
Would be curious how this is with the 303404 car you are talking about.

My mailadres: michaelwinters4@hotmail.com
Where are you from? I am from Belgium

[GarryD]

If you follow the vin numbers then this is a BY1966 MY1966 car.
The last BY1965 MY1966 car was VIN 303390.
I own 303381.

Can you give me the info about the owner of 303404.
I am restoring my car and it would be useful for me and maybe for him to change over some details.
I am already quite a time looking for the correct latchpanel and location of my metal vin plate.
Would be curious how this is with the 303404 car you are talking about.

My mailadres: michaelwinters4@hotmail.com
Where are you from? I am from Belgium

Hi Michael

Thanks for your comments , the owner is not big on the computer , I will be having a close inspection in February , so I can take a
bunch of pictures then .
303404 is still running the Solex carbs ,( I love that it is ) I'm not sure where the Vin tag is located at this stage .
I'm in New Zealand

Cheers
Garry

[HughH]

Garry
For what it is worth I have a record of 303408 being completed on 11 January 1966 (Ausgel.am on Kardex or date delivered from factory which we know from the build book records of the very first cars is probably a few days after actual completion but is the Kardex completion date as opposed to the date delivered to the customer which is Abnahme-Besch.on the Kardex) I also have a record of 303393 with a Ausgel.am of 5 January 1966. We know that the cars were not produced in numerical order but without seeing the Kardex on 303404 the odds are that as Michael says it was both a 66 model year and 66 calendar year car. Regardless it is a 66 model year car. Is it LHD or RHD? - that can make a difference as the RHD cars were built in batches and the build date timing can be out by weeks compared to other cars (as sometimes are special colour cars). I dont have any records of RHD cars being built around that number or date.

[GarryD]

Hugh

It's a LHD car from Arizona twenty odd years ago , seems very original / restored , I'll get more details in February , I don't have a COA or Kardex
Do you know the engine number of 303408 ?

Cheers

[NeunElf]

There was a thread 1965 to 1967 Production that narrowed down the 1965 model year to 1966 model year transition.

Some of the things believed to be unique to the 1965 model year are:

• Knee pad does not wrap around the sides of the dash,
• Small brass (locking steering column) or black plastic (non-locking steering column) ignition bezel,
• Non-adjustable front MacPherson Strut tops,
• Windshield washer reservoir is inside the right fender,
• Leather gear shift boot,
• Paint color code (on chassis # tag in door jamb) starts with 64,
• "Hockey Puck" Horn Button on a 911 (The "Butterfly" Horn Button was extra cost on 1966 912s).

I can't state with certainty that all cars before the late summer shutdown had these features and that all cars after didn't. But, a car with none of these features is pretty darn likely a '66 while one with all of them is a '65.

Post #2 by davep in that thread includes "I have as early as 301900 with 66xx paint codes and as late as 302064 with 64xx paint codes." Maybe some colors changed before others...

Post #13 by davep has these paint codes and chassis numbers:

302060 6404 (light ivory) 1965/07/29 early dash
302028 6602 (polo red) 1965/07/30
302030 6602 (polo red) 1965/07/30
301956 6606 (Irish Green) 1965/07/31
301829 6413 (black) 1965/08/02
302122 6602 (polo red) 1965/08/25 late dash

Note, 6404 and 6604 were both light ivory and 6405 and 6606 were both Irish Green, but 6402 was ruby red which is darker than polo red.

Post #35 has a photo of 302098, MY 66 showing a wraparound knee pad, a big ignition bezel, and a "butterfly" horn button.

[HughH]

yes it is 903575 and the 303393 car has engine 903477. However 303414 has engine 903574 so the engine numbers are also only a rough guide.

Hugh

It's a LHD car from Arizona twenty odd years ago , seems very original / restored , I'll get more details in February , I don't have a COA or Kardex
Do you know the engine number of 303408 ?

Cheers

[Michael Winters]

Hi Garry,

No problem.
We are all here to help people and still learn a lot for others!
Nice that you will take a bunch of pictures.
Do you have a picture with you of the car?
The owner does he also lives in New Zealand?

If you see any chance or possibility to contact that person about the location of the vin plate and type of latch panel would be great.
We are doing know the last pieces of bodywork.
So need to decide in a the next couple of weeks if my latchpanel is correct (one side flat/one side ribbons)

[Michael Winters]

Hugh,

Maybe I can help with some info of my matching numbers car.

VIN: 303381
Engine: 903535
Transmission: 226 684/902/1
Ausgel. am : 10 January 1966
I also have a letter of Porsche Stuttgart with it where Porsche is saying that my car is a late november 1965 produced car.

I also know a person who helped in the factory during 356-911 times. He has told me that the dates they are putting on the kardex are most of the time not correct.
For example : A car can be finished on a certain month/year but only after a month or two left the factory and then got the date on the kardex.

I hope this info helps you a little bit?

Garry
For what it is worth I have a record of 303408 being completed on 11 January 1966 (Ausgel.am on Kardex or date delivered from factory which we know from the build book records of the very first cars is probably a few days after actual completion but is the Kardex completion date as opposed to the date delivered to the customer which is Abnahme-Besch.on the Kardex) I also have a record of 303393 with a Ausgel.am of 5 January 1966. We know that the cars were not produced in numerical order but without seeing the Kardex on 303404 the odds are that as Michael says it was both a 66 model year and 66 calendar year car. Regardless it is a 66 model year car. Is it LHD or RHD? - that can make a difference as the RHD cars were built in batches and the build date timing can be out by weeks compared to other cars (as sometimes are special colour cars). I dont have any records of RHD cars being built around that number or date.