Porsche crest logo evolution - historians, anoraks, general enthusiasts of the marque

[911MRP]

Hi Karim
As one of the literature guys here I look forward to what you can share.

I have the GB price lists 66-73 and they are definitely local print quite basic single sheet mimeograph or other older reproduction that looks like typewritten. Be interested to see if any consistency and noticeable crest design "eras" for coloured stuff if we exclude relatively uncontrolled local market graphics for time being.

Maybe others here have old factory crests that can be dated reasonably accurately if used on other Automobilia: stickers, sew on patches, ceramics produced for factory rather than importer; not just literature.

Pretty sure this crest patch is from 1973 as got two of the same of these factory licenced jacket worn by the two models leaning on RSR in the brochure in the June 1973 marketing aricles brochure that was printed in Germany:


But curiously also got a third one of same type of jacket that has different crest. All three seem to be sewn professionally not home retrofit.


Steve

[911T1971]

Well those textile crests, there were probably several manufactors and if someone did a copy without informing the factory, they (the factory) did not interfere much (unless today).
The second looks newer, could still be original.
Also possible while the jacket design and materiel stayed the same, at one point the crest was updated.
There are factory accessories brochures documenting it.

[Peanut]

What I have found interesting... At the LA Lit Show, I noticed that an early (late 60s era) Porsche poster shows keys in the foreground with a key chain which has the later red bar crest. I found it surprising as that style of badge didn't show up on cars until 73/74 timeframe from what I understand. Anyone familiar? I'll try to find an image. Was maybe a targa, perhaps selling tourist delivery, circa '67 or '68.

Scott

[Peanut]

Found it...

Scott

[911MRP]

Hi Scott, Pretty sure I've an actual old keyring like that somewhere. It has the light colour to the PORSCHE background usually seen on older the crest. I had always assumed it was from the post-orange bar era. Maybe not, based on your picture?

There is a keyring crest in the 69 accessories brochure that looks similar but the black and white image doesn't help your question of red vs orange bar crest ?
ATB

S

[911MRP]

Well those textile crests, there were probably several manufactors and if someone did a copy without informing the factory, they (the factory) did not interfere much (unless today).
The second looks newer, could still be original.
Also possible while the jacket design and materiel stayed the same, at one point the crest was updated.
There are factory accessories brochures documenting it.

The Brian Redman cloth example's provenance is probably easier to confirm and date before October 71 since pictured with Siffert at Nurburgring 69. Others may know the actual event? It seems likely the factory / race team would have been involved this crest being provided/sewn on his overalls, coincidentally crest on his chest in combination with the >71 Shell logo version from schematic in post #1

Race team senior personnel wearing jacket/ crest maybe at same event?

Elford in the bright green jacket version 70

And the car front sticker seem similar crest on my binder in post #8 as far as can make out. The gold and yellow centre near horse appear more in contrast on sticker vs the cloth versions seemingly.

Various other examples on www of Atwood with McQueen on set of Le Mans point to this patch being the race wear cloth version of crest used in that era. Not included any pics here as they're black and white so less helpful.

Similar crest but (maybe slightly smaller size) still being worn by some drivers in mid 73 if Joest's overalls are anything to go by although from this distance pic not totally clear -- by then Martini brand in use too.


Elford race jacket closer view of cloth crest below

[Peanut]

Hi Scott, Pretty sure I've an actual old keyring like that somewhere. It has the light colour to the PORSCHE background usually seen on older the crest. I had always assumed it was from the post-orange bar era. Maybe not, based on your picture?

There is a keyring crest in the 69 accessories brochure that looks similar but the black and white image doesn't help your question of red vs orange bar crest ?
ATB

S

I found 1969 as the date on a few websites regarding the above poster. I can't confirm that first-hand, but I think that is in line with what I was told at the Lit Show. Here is the key fob I got from the PO of my '68 car. I always just assumed it was newer based upon the red bars, but perhaps these were produced during the '68 time frame. I trust these weren't produced by Porsche, but the definitely signal the forthcoming red bars, if that is correct. Perhaps someone here can chime in?

Scott

[911MRP]

Think that is later as the PORSCHE background at top is in a solid horizontal, not set in light-enamelled with an edge rim ....but others may know better?

S

[Peanut]

Aha. I do see the difference between mine and the one on the poster. Ok so the question remains re THAT key fob on the poster.

Scott

[911MRP]

Scott, The keyring from accessories catalogue I mentioned. Blurred on my copy. I don't have original catalogue to photograph as its not exact era I'm interested in collecting. I'm sure our literature specialists here do have that catalogue and maybe even other examples from proven old sources and can furnish a better in colour picture for you.

S