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Thread: Do people really expect no filler on their cars?

  1. #11
    A properly metal finished car will still have SOME filler. But we’re talking extremely minimal amounts.

    “Sculpted” 911s should have died out in the 80s and 90s when slant noses, 959, and 993 body kits became pasť.
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  2. #12
    Yeah, that's a lot of filler. It takes time to fit panels and it looks like the outer rocker was welded in too low. Rocker is installed based on the door, maybe the door was off the car when installed, I don't know. Upper door filler is where the factory used lead, very difficult to get right in that spot where the fender and door curve together. These cars cars had complex curves and shapes where panels meet up, so they used lead in spots from the factory. This stuff just isn't easy.

    Honestly, yeah that is how a lot of bodywork is done these days, if you read autobody books or watch car shows, you'll see how some shops completely fill gaps and then cut through the filler to create a perfect gap, it's a well known trick. I have seen the technique used on one of Chip Foose's TV shows. Check out the video below. Link isn't from Chip Foose show, but demonstrates the trick. It's a technique in books, out there on youtube, on TV and in the real world. That is why I started this post, this is more or less standard, a lot of shops use this technique. Filler use is really a judgement call, standards are changing and there is more info out there now.
    Last edited by David Liam; 10-19-2017 at 06:16 PM.
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  3. #13
    another gap video:

    In my opinion, the panels are "cupped" and when they meet, they aren't laser straight from side to side. But, the way these cars get blocked, they sort of lose their natural cupping. The door and quarter usually have their own crown to them sort of, it's tough to explain, I saw a great picture of it once with a guy holding a straight edge across a door gap, the actual gap was below the straight edge, it fell away from the slight cupping. It was an 80s 911 though, maybe there was more cupping in the panels then.

    Anyone else notice this?
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  4. #14
    Filling the gaps, then cutting them out was how the 356's were done, mostly because the quality of stamped panels wasn't so good. Yet people rave about how wonderful the gaps were, yet it was all done with filler (lead in this case)
    As to the "falling off" of the door panels/ fender panels, isn't that why panels should be board sanded in place, not with doors laying on saw horses?
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  5. #15
    I prefer to block sand with all of the panels on the car, but I am careful to sand lightly around the edges to make sure there isn't a hard edge that doesn't look like something sheet metal would do. I was just being fussy and pointing something out that people might not ever think about. Overall, I notice original cars have a slightly different look than redone cars. It's important to be careful with all of this high build, spray-able polyester stuff, the cars can get puffy. It's subtle, but noticeable.

  6. #16
    Below is an example of a faked gap where filler was stacked up in the corner of the hood to bring it up to the cowl. Funky and doesn't look like sheet metal. But, every project has a budget and there is no such thing as a perfect paint job, so I don't want to say that this is a complete sin, it's just what's out there on a lot of cars. People should be looking for this type of thing and be careful when choosing a body shop.

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