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Thread: 1969 911S Versuch/Experimental found. Kardex Porsche factory driver Kurt Ahrens jr.

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    1969 911S Versuch/Experimental found. Kardex Porsche factory driver Kurt Ahrens jr.

    Hi

    I thought I would share with you an interesting find. I can't take credit as DaveP pointed out the information on
    the Kardex.

    119300950 was recently found in the prairies of Canada, how an ex Porsche factory car ended up in a farm storage shed ,
    is still a mystery. The Kardex lists Kurt Ahrens jr as the initial owner/driver whats more interesting is what the kardex lacks.
    No list of options and no service history. Only color , engine number and trans number.

    Importer is listed as "WE" which is used for factory owned cars. Only options listed 6851 for Silver Metallic paint, cloth seats and Michelin tires.
    Another interesting point is the VERSUCH / Ahrens line which means Experimental for Ahrens. This could mean a couple things
    from a prototype/test car used by Ahrens, which would lend to the lack of options listed. Another option would be a test car given to it's factory
    Porsche team drivers which was customary at the time aka the Jo Siffert car.

    As the car stands now it is in need of repair, the matching engine is long gone but the gear box is still intact ,typical floor rust, front pan etc. I have it at
    my restoration ready for disassembly and a chem bath. I'm not sure if I'm ready for the leap into a full restoration but I will research a little more. I tend to enjoy
    this part of the equation.

    Some interesting points on the car, Scheel fixed back race seats 101 or 100 series, All German warnings and script. No sunroof or basic creature comforts. It does
    have a rear wiper but on a back dated rear wing. Like I said the car has been man handled over the last couple decades. The bones are still decent and I will post pictures
    of the process if I go that route.
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    Last edited by Fubawu; 11-09-2017 at 01:21 PM.
    911 1972S 2.8 Race car SOLD
    911 1972T 2.5
    911 1965 300760 SOLD
    911 1971S S/T 2.5
    914-6 1970 GT 2.5
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    Early S Reg #2699
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    Hi, where you got the Versuch Info from? Dont see it on Kardex.

    WE is for Dealer, not Importer. Dealer number is 100.
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    Hi Karim Versuch is above Kurt's name and beside his last name.. WE still is in reference to Porsche.
    911 1972S 2.8 Race car SOLD
    911 1972T 2.5
    911 1965 300760 SOLD
    911 1971S S/T 2.5
    914-6 1970 GT 2.5
    Look for me at a track near you!
    Early S Reg #2699
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    I've never seen a 69 Kardex with entries typed in that font. Usually all upper case too.
    Edit: Looked further in my research and there are a few out there from time to time.


    It looks like your Kardex is referencing something in May 1970 above Kurt's name, perhaps the handing over to him of the car.
    Last edited by beh911; 11-09-2017 at 04:32 PM. Reason: add'l info
    1969 S Coupe #761
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    Quote Originally Posted by beh911 View Post
    I've never seen a 69 Kardex with entries typed in that font. Usually all upper case too.
    Edit: Looked further in my research and there are a few out there from time to time.


    It looks like your Kardex is referencing something in May 1970 above Kurt's name, perhaps the handing over to him of the car.
    That's a good point on the date, I never thought of that. Wonder what the back story is.
    911 1972S 2.8 Race car SOLD
    911 1972T 2.5
    911 1965 300760 SOLD
    911 1971S S/T 2.5
    914-6 1970 GT 2.5
    Look for me at a track near you!
    Early S Reg #2699
    https://www.facebook.com/#!/MachineMotorsports

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fubawu View Post
    Hi Karim Versuch is above Kurt's name and beside his last name.. WE still is in reference to Porsche.
    thats verk = verkauft = sold to
    Last edited by moito; 11-10-2017 at 01:52 AM.

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    Interesting, so "sold" in 1970 . My guess is sold is another term for given to Ahrens. I wonder what the car was doing in 1969??

    Another question didn't Ahrens retire from racing some time in 1970? I wonder if there's any correlation?
    911 1972S 2.8 Race car SOLD
    911 1972T 2.5
    911 1965 300760 SOLD
    911 1971S S/T 2.5
    914-6 1970 GT 2.5
    Look for me at a track near you!
    Early S Reg #2699
    https://www.facebook.com/#!/MachineMotorsports

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    Yes its verk > abreviation of verkauft > sold at (May 11 1970)
    But I see now typewritten Versuch / Ahrens, sorry.

    As with Sifferts car, It seems owned/ordered/built at factory for Versuch/Ahrens (typewritten), later sold to Ahrens jr, added by handwritten infos.
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    Karim, all eyes on this is a big help. Already learned new things thanks for all the info guys!

    Here are a couple more pictures. Look at those stunning factory flares welds
    IMG_20171110_114507.jpgIMG_20171110_114439.jpgIMG_20171110_114414.jpgIMG_20171110_114007.jpg
    911 1972S 2.8 Race car SOLD
    911 1972T 2.5
    911 1965 300760 SOLD
    911 1971S S/T 2.5
    914-6 1970 GT 2.5
    Look for me at a track near you!
    Early S Reg #2699
    https://www.facebook.com/#!/MachineMotorsports

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    loving the rear antennae...
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