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    FS: @Artcuriel - '73 RS . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bell 904 View Post
    . . . Artcurial are selling as Lot 38:
    RS 911 360 0343

    http://https://www.artcurial.com/en/...7-l-rs-3279-38 . . .

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    VIN = 9113600343
    Eng# = 6630370
    Trans# ?
    Prod# = ?

    '. . . .

    - Conforms to factory specification
    - Detailed history, comprehensive documentation
    - Mechanics original, matching numbers
    - Delivered new to Avignon
    - Fully restored by Porsche Ravé

    Bought new through Sonauto, this Porsche 2.7 RS was delivered to its first owner in January 1973, to French industrialist from Avignon. She later sold the coach to a professor of medicine in a sport enthusiast. The latter had the repainted JPS team! In 1984, he sold it to Lucien-François Bernard, the co-founder, and for several years the president, of the Porsche 356 club, who endeavored to restore the car's original appearance. On March 27, 1990, he sold to Jean-Claude Miloé, who has decided to share with him today.

    Carrera RS, by Gruber and Konradsheim, a recognized authority in the matter. Painted "Hellgeld 117" (ref 6562) with black leatherette interior (ref 11), this is a matching numbers car, with the original engine and gearbox. It was one of the first 50 examples, built with thin steel body panels, giving the car a weight advantage over subsequent examples. It is a Touring model (No. 472) and, being one of the first 500, benefitted from Glaverbel glass.

    This car has never been raced in any type of competition. It has, however, experienced the thrill of speed, having participated in such events as Jean-François Rageys' Morocco Classic, Hervé Charbonneaux's Alpine Cup, various track days (Dijon, Lurcy-Lévis, Montlhéry ...), as well as various road trips, particularly on the German autobahns.

    Routine maintenance has been done by Louis Meznarie, Crubile Sport, Christophe Terriou and dealers Sonauto and Ravé. For major work, however, the car was sent to the Porsche factory. This has composite:
    - End 1991 / Early 1992: at 31,380 km, to ensure reliability on long journeys, the gearbox and engine were completely rebuilt, the shell checked on a jig, the brakes refurbished and some work to the body (invoices from 13 March 1992)
    - End 2011 / early 2012: return to the factory to refurbish the engine, gearbox, clutch, brakes and running gear. The mileage at this point was 83,683 km, some 52,303 km since the last intervention by the factory in 1991/1992.

    A few bubbles in the background, in the usual places for a 911 (below the windscreen ...), and so the decision was taken in 2015 to strip back and inspect the entire car, and carry out a full restoration, retaining all the original features. The shell proved to be very sound, with no new areas of rust discovered. The mileage at that point was 93,881 km, and had only covered 10,000 km since the last intervention by the factory in 2012, and was running perfectly, no mechanical work was required. To improve the performance of the car, especially its acceleration, carbon doors and front bootlid were fitted by D.Moris (with interior strengthening on the inside of the doors). Restored and painted, the original steel parts will be delivered with the car, along with the original exterior rear-view mirror. The 'lightweight' type of seats were kept when they were kept. The restoration was completed by Porsche Ravé in December 2015, with bills totalling € 95,000.
    On 15 November 2017, the car had covered 96,422 km, some 3,000 km since its restoration. The old odometer indicated 70 738 km, which was 25 684 km on 15 November 2017, that is 96 422 km from new.

    This RS Touring was the subject of a test-drive feature by José Rosinski in the excellent monthly magazine Classic & Sports Car (English edition) in November 2009. The car comes with a large file of bills and service history, a book on its restoration at the Ravé garage (Classic department), a special box containing a report on the restoration with a huge number of photographs on a USB stick . . .
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    https://www.artcurial.com/en/lot-197...7-l-rs-3279-38



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    A question on the VIN stamping - does that indicate a chassis replacement?

    In my experience, the stamping is more like this:
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    That might be a standard thing for cars delivered new to France. Not 100% sure though.
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    the VIN format is 100% correct for a french delivered car. Indeed IF there is a car that was supposed to have been delivered to France and is not in that format that is when you start to ask questions
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    Anyone else think that engine number stamping looks suspicious?

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    In addition to questions about engine French RS examples didn't get that front spoiler ?

    "Conforms to factory specification
    - Mechanically original, matching numbers"

    Really they claim that in the listing? So many details not first 500 M472 factory spec!
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    Yes Steve I understood that the French cars did not get that front Spoiler. On the engine number the font is incorrect - it "looks like" the font used in the VIN stamps
    It is not an AT (factory replacement) engine but I wonder if the case was replaced at some time and was restamped with the old number. Still "matching numbers" then

    here is a close up of the stamping
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    and one of a stamping known to be correct
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    and a vin stamping known to be correct
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    It is clear that the font is not the correct one for an engine at the time. All of the numbers do (to me) look like the vin font.
    However without looking at it in person it is hard to tell if the stamped numbers are the same size as the vin stamps or not.

    I have heard stories (but never seen the direct evidence) that VIN stamp fonts were available to Porsche distributors (but NEVER engine font stamps) and at times engines here in Australia have been said to have been restamped on a blank replacement case using vin stamps.
    I am not saying that this happened in this case but to me it looks like a vin stamp font. However IF it had happened when the car was back at the factory in 1991/2 for a "complete engine and gearbox rebuild" it would not be a big surprise if the case was replaced with a blank one and restamped but not with the "AT" at the factory. At that time they were relatively valuable but not like now and there was no real information on correct fonts etc that we now have courtesy of the world wide web and forums like this
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    The VIN looks correct for a car imported to france that days.
    Doubt about the engine stamp.

    The Oil gauge is from a later RS, btw. Dash looks ......

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