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  1. #21
    The picture in post #19 is not a 1972 accessories brochure, it is a 1971 or 1970 because that red Porsche 911T has 2.2 engine decal on the rear window (1970/71). Starting in 1972 the engine grill would have a 2.4 badge and the grill itself would be black anodize along with the Porsche lettering and 911T emblem like your car in post #15.
    Without seeing the cover of this brochure my money is it's a 1971 accessories brochure and on page 6 has a picture of the interior and it has a 911E badge on the glove box cover (1971 was the last year of this badge starting in 1972 there wasn't a badge on the glove box cover). If the brochure's cover is gray with the psychedelic 911 with orange wheels and pink wheel arches and blue Porsche stripe, then that's a 1971 accessories brochure, and for many years people though it was a 1972 accessories brochure.

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    Agree, Yes, red car pic is from the 1971 2.2l issue, not 1972.
    You see the double rear bar mounted on red car.
    In post 10 the 1970 issue is posted, same equipment.
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    Found another confirmation for 569
    1972 issue
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    Check option 569. it say (shock) bar for rear bumper > Rammschutz für hintere Stossstange
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    @gonbau
    You need to check 1972 brochures only.
    While some options were carried over from previous
    Model years, only the right year document will confirm the infos.
    (Some pictures in brochures are also not updated, only written infos confirm the facts)
    FYI, here some of the most common 1972 items, which were printed seperately as RoW (RestofWorld/Europe) and for USA marked.
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    Same cover exists for 1972 and 1973, different content.
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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by gulforange View Post
    The picture in post #19 is not a 1972 accessories brochure, it is a 1971 or 1970 because that red Porsche 911T has 2.2 engine decal on the rear window (1970/71). Starting in 1972 the engine grill would have a 2.4 badge and the grill itself would be black anodize along with the Porsche lettering and 911T emblem like your car in post #15.
    Without seeing the cover of this brochure my money is it's a 1971 accessories brochure and on page 6 has a picture of the interior and it has a 911E badge on the glove box cover (1971 was the last year of this badge starting in 1972 there wasn't a badge on the glove box cover). If the brochure's cover is gray with the psychedelic 911 with orange wheels and pink wheel arches and blue Porsche stripe, then that's a 1971 accessories brochure, and for many years people though it was a 1972 accessories brochure.
    I wanted to illustrate what I said before the Skys, what level of details you have in your mind! In order to differentiate them I start with the side oil cover and then I start to look at the motor grille that, as you say, is anonized black! Right now I have it painted with "FULL DIP" in black "mate" but rather for protection since when it comes out, I will try to take it as original as possible !! Thank you very much for the information, especially for the guidelines over the years! They are appreciated and when it comes to "certify" the options it is more pleasant to know in what years they were both!
    Take this opportunity to ask a question .... The fiber defenses of the 911 S could be modified at the ends to enlarge them and that they were ST or would have to start from a defense to ST directly?

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    Thank you very much for the confirmation! Out of curiosity Do you have them in physical or has it been a compilation over the years? I am impressed by the level of detail! Thanks for that image in ALeman, it's worth a thousand words hahaha! By the way, that 911 of the "72" does not take the oil side cover a bit strange?

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    Yes, i have all brochure in physicial and much much more. We are planning a book for references but it takes a while to finish. Yes, many brochures reused older pictures and photoshopped/hand retouched pics, the 72 cover is such an example.
    They draw the oil flap by hand to a 71 model, reason why only the written content in brochures confirms facts.
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    Hi Karim


    Slightly off topic but mention it clarify a point of detail sources mentioned here...

    Are we sure there are 72 and 73 versions of the large format brochure. The printing reference number and use of American English vs English English and VW-Porsche vertreibsgesellschaft mbH on one but not the other suggests to me RoW ve USA versions. I believe there were ROW and American English version each with slightly different content. I don't have your collection but do have both these and think the difference is clear particularly the 1006.20 vs 1006.23 reference.

    Likewise the simpler brochure 4 page has 1004.23 vs 1004.20.

    Porsche suffix xxxx.20 appears in a number of the documents that are original to my British market car and the xxxx .20 denotes ROW written in English. Great Britain, Australia, South Africa, etc. being examples in that market. English language clues in text being the spelling of certain words eg litre vs litre and so forth. This style subtleties jumps out to a Brit who has at times lived worked in North America. The language used by Porsche in ROW routinely uses Americanized spellings tire vs tyre but that is not unusual for companies publishing English documents in second language. The suffix large format 20 vs 23 brochure have a different style of writing in some parts. I suspect what has long been assumed to be 72 73 reprints is in fact a misunderstanding of NA vs RoW market variants of these There may indeed be reprints in 72 and 73 but doubt that is the reason. There are English language ROW and North America versions of drivers and owners manuals, etc as you point out so this was likley the case here. If using the two variations as reference to year this may be relevant -- although publications generally can be misleading in authenticity

    I don't collect literature and recognise your collection and respect your deep knowledge on publications but sharing this viewpoint and drawing attention to xxxx.20 vs .23 being a useful determinant particularly if you will write a book one day about literature.

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    Sometimes its not clear for which (english) market a brochure was used, especially in 1973, where the overall literature production was reduced.
    The „white 911E“ luxury format brochure does differ in content, but you actually need both years to get proof. Possible used in 1972 for RoW only, in 1973 I assume for all worldwide markets, since a 73 US rear bumper design is seen on the pictured cars.
    They show clearly 1972 and resp. 1973 cars, identified easely with the chrome vs black front grills.
    Some pages are similar in both years, however some did change for 1973 issue.
    (The 1973 brochure is much more common on the market, the 1972 less).
    All were printed in english, german, french or italian.

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    Here some pages which differ:

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    1972 top (note oil flap)
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    1972 top
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    Although undated -- so agree the year is not clear-- each is clear marked on language and markets in the print code suffix.....XXXX.20 in one case and different suffix on other
    Decodes as follows:
    Where first digit 2 indicates English
    The second digit in conjunction with the 2 ie 20 designates English Rest of world ( britain, Australia..

    To be clear I've added photo both are English language --not comparing German to English.
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    Different print numbers and one is VW Porsche the other is not. Hence my point that there are ROW and NA variants of this document

    It is my view that the intended market is amajor reason the text content is different particularly when looking at the style of the writing which is more anglesied style in xxx.20 than the other version.
    I have both versions in English but .20 came among my cars papers along with with a British market technical spec insert and also a foolscap price list.
    The way things are phrased subtly differ in England and North America. Becomes evident when two English variants compared back to back. " Petrol Vs " gasoline" an obvious example. Note other spec and the horsepower differences reflecting the products in the different markets. Carbs for T vs all mfi makes it pretty clear.

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    Similar on the simpler brochure

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    Again both are written in English language albeit subtly different tag line. Litre vs Liter.
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    Just one of those small detail... back to the original question.
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    Not convinced personally that there is evidence of 72 and 73 being the reason for two version for the two luxury white brochures that we we see written in English -- based on the two examples that I own. I might be wrong.

    I do however think there is clear evidence ( examples as shown above) there was a ROW English and a North America version of the luxury brochures in English. Geographical segmentation resulting in the content being different I.e. tweaked in each version to suit the ROW vs NA english speaking markets. The xxxx.20 suffix for British, Australia etc, the vw Porsche branding, the language phrasing, the vehicle spec details that we see on one fitting the row market.

    Not a big deal either way but just another interesting detail

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    I have three copies of the White luxury brochure all written in English ....but none of mine have the photo in showing three cars which is presumably 72.the upper image. If anyone has a copy of the luxury brochure with the three car image that written in English it would indicate there are also 72 and 73 variations in English beyond the NA vs Row variations I know exist from my own megre literature pieces. There was clearly a German one shown top in karim's photo here but was there one in English with that three car content presumably for 72?

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    Further research needed offline before your planned literature book, I'd suggest, rather than this discussion of references becoming the core of this thread. Or maybe needs a new thread as this is a tangent to OP.



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