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    Correct 1967 Euro license plate?

    Digging through my wife's collection of old license plates off of old family cars, I think that the set on the "bottom" (or rather right) of the attached photo might be from the '67 911 that her father picked up at the Porsche factory in ~Feb. 1967. That set has the correct VIN written on them in pencil. Does anyone know what a temporary Euro plate looked like in 1967?

    Any ideas regarding the vintage or country of the other plates?

    Thanks,

    Jim

    PS: The photo looked correct on my phone and computer, but was rotated 90 degrees when uploaded. Any tips on uploading photos?

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    The oval ones look like West German plates from the 60's. Should say the city on them (Stuttgart maybe?).

    The red and white plates look like newer german plates.

    Not sure about the black ones.

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    Zollkennzeichen und Ausfuhrkennzeichen

    Quote Originally Posted by H-viken View Post
    . . . oval ones look like West German plates from the 60's . . .
    Those 'oval plates' are known as 'Zollkennzeichen' (literally 'customs plate') or 'zoll' plates for short. Temporary plates issued for use in Germany pending a vehicle's export

    The 'S-31 D' pair look like German 'Ausfuhrkennzeichen' (literally 'export plates'). The date embossed on the side is when the insurance on the vehicle expires. These replaced the 'zoll' plates, and would be issued to a vehicle that was temporarily being operated in Germany --- like a 'Euro-delivery' car. I believe that 'S' stands for Stuttgart

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    Note sure what those stickers are --- but, if you look at them closely? . . . they may have some mo + yr notations




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    "Euro" plate was a poor choice of words ...

    The 528 and 228 oval plates do indeed say "Stuttgart Ost" on them. According to the following website, the 528 and 228 prefixes were also in use in the 1960s: http://www.dr-herzfeld.de/kennzeiche...te/brdzoll.pdf My guess is that the handwritten serial number probably indicates that the 528 oval plates in fact correspond to that car.

    Thanks for the help.

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    Also ran across this beautiful photo posted by our member 67Porsche911S with an export license plate which appears to have a very similar number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfadams View Post
    Also ran across this beautiful photo posted by our member 67Porsche911S with an export license plate which appears to have a very similar number.

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    Thats in Switzerland (probably near Brienz or Uri looking towards Gotthard). With those German plates you could drive all over Europe and then load the car on the ship.
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    The oval ones - officially "Ausfuhrkennzeichen" (export plates) - were used from Nov 07, 1952 until end of 1988. They were commonly also known als "Zollkennzeichen" (customs plates).
    They were issued for either exporting a car bought in Germany or driving a foreign registered car within Germany. For the latter you had to cover/ detach your e.g. US license plate and put on the oval one. As much as I remember there was a 3 month tax-exempt. After that period you had to pay German vehicle tax & make a VAT deposit.
    The first 3 digits were codes for the respective customs department. Stuttgart-Ost was officially issued 228,328,428,528,726,728,828 before 1967 and 857-866 from April 01, 1967 onwards. The number after the "Z" was issued 1-199 for motorcycles and 200-9999 for cars. From 1952-1977 the "seal" (Zollsiegel) showed the name of the respective customs department. In your case Stuttgart-Ost. From 1977 on they equally put "Bundesfinanzverwaltung D" (federal financial administration) on them.

    License plates up to March 12, 1971 were non-reflective. So you might be able to check with the ones from your collection.

    There is no way to determine that very plate that came off your dad's car by just looking at the numbers. You would also need the corresponding paperwork. I do too think that the 528-plate would be the correct one though. But it's no more than an educated guess.

    And yes, the ones with the red stripes are German Ausfuhrkennzeichen used from 1989-2000. They show the month insurance expires and the font type was called "DIN 1451 Mittelschrift". From 1994-2000 you could chose between DIN font an "Euro-Font" (FE-Schrift). From 2000 onwards they added a third line (with day) to be able to depict that very day insurace coverage ends and changed the font style to "FE-Schrift" only.

    BTW, if you would linke to get a period correct German permanent registration plate you would have to use DIN 1451 font.
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    The first one (first row, left) looks like an old license plate from Denmark to me. I guess the "K" stands for Kopenhagen.
    The black/silver ones look like temporary UK "Q" plates to me.
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    I can not provide a picture of a 1967 Zoll plate, but here's one of a plate that was on my 1964 Mercedes-Benz 220 SEb when I picked it up at the Sindelfingen factory in July, 1964. Please excuse the fact that I did not feel like digging out a ladder and getting to the very top shelf in a seasonally used garage for a more focused photograph. I will do so if the need arises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfadams View Post
    the '67 911 that her father picked up at the Porsche factory in ~Feb.

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    Jim, any idea what happened to the car?
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    This is a real swag, but I vaguely (very Vaguely) recall black square plates in 1967 as being French. Could be dead wrong about that
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