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    Post your maintenance record book editions

    Discussion elsewhere about the different editions and print runs of the maintenance book editions for FOW in English has raised some interesting questions.

    This made me think it might be interesting to build up a picture for other languages, markets and for all model years.

    This forum with its broad reach is quite well placed to build a fairly completoe chronology of all the different versions editions of these books over the years. In these days of personal data privacy concerns there is no need / request to show original purchaser details, chassis numbers etc. Date of delivery adds a bit more context to timeline and could be typed if a poster wishes to share without showing the full details in photo.

    A lot can be learned just by showing the small print on the reverse of the first page which gives the six digit print reference, the print month and year, the quantity in the print run. Alongside the banner showing the model lineup.

    Here is an example of mine to start the thread that does not reveal anything specific or confidential to the car in question.
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    Decoding book' Print Reference 4309.20 etc as best I understand it:

    - 43 denotes the function/ department as well as the type of document within the function.
    - 09 seems to be a number that just gets incremented within that first pair -- possibly denoting a notable change content of version? Not quite sure what triggers the increment of this second pair of digits but have seen 430x.20 on similar books with different number in x as well as seeing different print dates and print quantity editions showing the same 4309.20? Maybe upisdue increment broadly aligns with model year refresh ?
    - Date in month /year ( Roman numerals often for month -- the mm/yy denotes first print date)
    - The other number often in hundreds denotes the print run quantity. Sometimes the number is followed by M to abbreviate the print run quantity to thousands (in similar way we would use abbreviation k today).
    - Suffix .xx denotes target market. NA , ROW, German markets, French Italian. The suffix of the number of the example above denotes the market xxxx.20 so here it refers to rest of world English language including Britain, Australia, South Africa, NZ etc. Often correlating roughly .20 to RHD markets but not necessarily. The first digit 2 in suffix denotes English in all its forms . The second digit denotes the more specific target market within that language. RoW vs NA distinction being the most obvious well known example of this.
    - not sure meaning of the capital M at end but it often appears?
    - The KG AG ( sometimes spelt out in full) change in boilerplate appears during in 73 which is not a surprise. However there are examples where it seems to regress from AG back to KG late in 73 which is a bit odd?

    From the discussion elsewhere, I know there were at least four versions of the 430x.20 rest of world markets English maintenance record for model year 73 alone. Four editions in such a short time for a just a subset of English speaking markets! Four versions row before we get to complexity of model year 73 NA (also English, Germany, France and Italy -- all would be different versions and probably various print editions in that one 73 model year. So likley we could see lots of variety assuming a similar pattern and richness exists acrossother model years, all country markets and all languages.

    Model range varied by market for example well known Carrera RS wasn't officially sold in USA in model year 73 so Carrera 2.7 is not listed on NA maintenance record books in 73 but was listed on RoW English books as well as German, French, Italian that 73 model year.

    Typically there is a number kundendienst heft number in these books. Often found sped or printed inside on reverse of the first page. Some have *, some have No. My understanding is that when the book was completed by official agent on delivery that instigated linking of chassis # engine # to the tracking of its after-market and warranty work etc. Link paper based to Kardex up to circa 69 and presumably to the system that superseded Kardex. Some might regard this number as confidential info specific to their car so mentioning it upfront in case poster chooses exclude from any photo.

    On the basis of interesting discussion and questions raised by just a handful of examples of ROW in English in other threads and fourum it might be informative expand scope here to see the examples from other markets.

    The transition of record books to various model years with their different different model lineup might be interesting to see. Also curious if versions changed for other reasons. I know in early part of model year 73 in some markets there was an interesting way of temporarily handling the transition to the new 73 model lineup on these booklets!

    Possibly with other photo examples this thread could grow become a useful reference to the chronology and evolution of these different editions of maintenance records over time and across languages and country markets. Often these original documents get lost from glovebox but I'm sure there are plenty original versions still out there ( not so interesting to see current classic repros with different print reference nor known reproductions by other parties as while as less informative in building understanding history).

    I know there are historians and literature collectors who might add more to help understand or correct the above. Maybe being German this is a DIN print reference numerical coding system. Even without such interest in literature or owners of cars can add a jigsaw piece to build the overall picture collectively.

    My personal interest is model year 73 row English , for the most part, I've already got the Info I'm interested in from the discussions and posts elsewhere. Over to the community here to see if there is interest in building this thread out as a reference.

    There are pages giving a minutia analysis of toolkit variations -- unless I've missed it -- didn't find comparable thread as collective resource for understanding a much more fundamental maintenance documentation versions, chronology etc for these longhood cars. Doubt too many original owners looked at toolkit contents but suspect many used the maintenance records linked to their new car.

    Steve
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    In relation to the other thread and the one on DDK I would ALSO be very interested in seeing what the pattern of the other stamped number on the inside of the front page is. I dont think there is much risk of privacy in providing it, along with the VIN number or maybe manufacture date. My understanding is in line with what you have previously posted in that it is a consecutive number (by the looks of it each model year but i cant see what the M Y identifier is) that seems to link together the vin number, power train etc probably date sold and not sure what else with the internal warranty paperwork. As you mention on another thread it is the same as or similar to the KD Heft-nr. or Customer Service Book Number on kardexes for earlier cars although I have not seen any filled in numbers on kardexes after the 1968 MY.

    I have not seen any real analysis of this number on this or other forums, let alone written documents. It would also appear that the format of the number is different in different years which may be an indicator of Model year but with only a few data points that is hard to claim.

    I am happy to kick this off with a photo of mine below. As a matter of context I am happy to say that the series number part of my production number is 8915 of the 9447 of all types of 911 Coupes built in the 1973 MY which seems to broadly line up with the (20)8389 stamped into the maintenance book but that may be a coincidence. For the record it was a July 1973 build vin 9113201306 if that helps determine a pattern

    Also from looking at a small sample of other books it appears that the 20 appears as the first numbers in other years but the "No." does not and in 1971 for example there seems to be a * after the number with no prefix.
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    here is a factory REPLACEMENT maintenance book (identified by the perforated 2 through all pages) for a 67. I have seen photos of the original book and this one and it appears that this one was issues in about 1976 after the first two (old style) service books were used up. It shows the then current owner but the original delivery date for the car. interestingly it seems to have a 1967 printing date and a document number that is quite different to the other service books.
    I wont show the other ones as they have too much private information on them but the first (original) one has W 3921 1.66 GI Edition II.65 Printed in Germany
    and the second one (marked Service book II on the outside cover has W 33 1.5 M 9.65 GI
    each has a different service book number, the original one being noted on the kardex in the KD-Hefl-Nr. box

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    Thanks Peter and Hugh,

    Already I've learned something new about existence continuation book with a perforated 2. I do have a much later blank replacement book that is in format of owners manual. Clearly rubber stamped replacement. I'll post it later.

    The Kundendienst Heft number is certainly interesting and could be revealing to see patterns if folks choose to share that information. It was not my intent to dissuade people from showing that but in fairness wanted to be sure folks new the role of that number before putting it on www.

    The original owner of my car who ordered it in October 72 is still living at the same address as on the first registration papers ( known in as log book). He an I are in touch and have been since ninties so that is why I mentioned personal data. Probably very unusual circumstance after 45 years but made me think about showing full first page details with name when maybe personal details are not necessary to get the insights.

    This thread will become more informative if and when more examples are posted for us to see the chronology, patterns and quirks. In the spirit of getting more jigsaw pieces on the table here is another from me
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    Sorry poor quality images but pictures are best I have to hand. Hopefully content is legible? I have the book but not the car which was written off I was told.

    Registered 7th September 1973 a British market RHD car from the one year only model year 73 lineup.

    A few notable (odd) things about this particular book.
    - it is KG yet Hugh's book and others I've seen from six months earlier have already gone to AG (in full) so why did it revert?
    - there is no Kundendienst heft number on reverse of front page -- nor anywhere else I can see?
    - given lead time to print and distribute the VIII/73 print date is very late in the last long hood model year life cycle to be printing 100 copies in English by this time the impact bumper cars with a different model lineup in would be in an advanced stage.

    It could be a repro but as stated elsewhere the fact it had many of its pages stamped by a number different official dealerships and a number of well known marque specialists spanning from 1973 to 2000 suggest is it not a repro. More likley IMHO is it was a hastily printed batch when there were not enough books left to cover the last remaining longhoods in stock in UK. Maybe done by factory or could be locally by importer. Seems odd to need 100 this late in 73 as in total there were not many RHD long-hoods produced in total (as Hugh knows better than I from records he keeps) but maybe 100 was some sort of minimum print batch?

    Darren, Mike and Ian (it was Ian's idea to post all the AFN ROW English versions originally!!!) have posted their maintenance record examples elsewhere. I wouldn't presume to repost their car's document here but it would be useful if they could also be added to this thread to help build the widest picture and collective understanding.

    So far only books in English circa 72/3 but I'm confident other model years,languages and market examples will appear and interesting questions and patterns wil emerge.

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    Steve,

    Sorry not the English version but Italian for reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72targa View Post
    From my '72...
    Probably already well known or maybe just obvious but the 4306.23 code has the same 43 for function/ department and document type but it is 06 not 09. Hopefully with more examples we will get 4301, 02, 03, 04, 05 07 and 08 examples assuming the full sequence exists.

    Maybe then we'll deduce what triggered the increment of the print reference number. Given there are Around four with 4309 each with different print date and print quantity it seems it wasn't just a new print run that required the increment of fourth digit?

    Also the suffix xxxx.23 is English but in Peter's example the 3 denotes NA version compared to the 0 for Row (in both cases 2 denotes language English). I've noticed the USA versions usually, get USA explicitly printed on banner whereas ROW is not.

    If we get to see a model year 73 version from USA posted it will not list the Carrera 2.7 as model not sold there officially that year. Carrera 2.7 is on the RoW model 73 version ( at least it was once they hastily scrambled and got their act together following the October 72 launch !)

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    Hi Cees, hope all is well with you.

    That's perfect. Spoke too soon about only English versions so far! Will be great to see all markets and languages represented here. Another 4309 but in this case suffix .40 presumably decodes to in Italian language / markets

    Good to see they wrote the right model number 911744. One thing catches my eye is that despite being a relatively late RS from third series it still uses the XI /72 booklet suggesting that there were perhaps only one (or two?) print runs in Italy -- when there were four versions of similar in ROW English for model year 73? I say perhaps two as in some languages and markets there is a very early version of the maintenance record that is somewhat unusual. Referenced in the RS book.

    I'm hopeful an example of that earliest 73 model year that shows the "clear" evidence of the hasty scramble to get lineup on such papers correct following the October launch of the limited homologation edition Carrera RS will be posted here shortly. I know for certain these early ones exist in English (ROW but not NA) and German language -- maybe French and Italian too? Would be "Fablon" to see these earliest model 73 versions posted

    I recall once seeing an Italian RS for sale claiming it had original maintenance record but it was a row English version in listing picture -- felt it was probably BS claim and commented it should've likley had Italian record (like yours above) at the time.

    Best

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    July 13, 1973 U.S. Delivery.

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    Hi Doug

    Interesting to see in your example by I/73 USA books for model year 73 had small print with AG ( spelled out form) whereas the XI/72 ROW English and Italian edition was still showing KG. Curious to see if other examples and editions get posted from from other markets/ languages ( France Germany) the KG to AG transition can be nailed down even more narrowly in small print found inside these books.

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