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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowzer View Post
    Believe me sir, these two are very close to what you describe as "to perfection"
    Sorry for joining in in this topic, but what I've learned in a couple of years on this forum and being involved with classic Cars now for 30+ years (and not owning a pre 73 Porsche) is that I don't know shit about them.
    So I am just doubting how would you be able to tell a perfect restoration from one that may be very good craftsmanship but wrong in a lot of aspects.
    So you can have a car that has "perfect" paint "perfect" Brightwork "perfect" interior and so on but the car as a whole is far from perfect because details are wrong and they're not "as bad as new".
    Here are a lot of
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    guys who will pick apart any perfect craftsmanship that has been done to a car restored by somebody that hasn't had the experinece of restoring these cars for 20 or more years. When talking of perfect we're talking gloss rates of semi matte black and so on...
    I simply mean If you can't even tell a model/year from a VIN you have not even the hint of an idea of the pitfalls. So before doing any purchase get (pay) somebody who knows what he's doing to do a proper PPI.
    Just my 2 Cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by uai View Post
    Sorry for joining in in this topic, but what I've learned in a couple of years on this forum and being involved with classic Cars now for 30+ years (and not owning a pre 73 Porsche) is that I don't know shit about them.
    So I am just doubting how would you be able to tell a perfect restoration from one that may be very good but wrong in a lot of aspects.
    So you can have a car that has "perfect" paint "perfect" Brightwork "perfect" interior and so on but the car as a whole is far from perfect because details are wrong and they're not "as bad as new".
    Here are a lot of guys who will pick apart any perfect craftsmanship that has been done to a car restored by somebody that hasn't had the experinece of restoring these cars for 20 or more years.
    I simply mean If you can't even tell a model/year from a VIN you have not even the hint of an idea of the pitfalls. So before doing any purchase get (pay) somebody who knows what he's doing to do a proper PPI.
    Just my 0.02 Cents
    Dear Sir,
    I thank you for your answer from the heart.
    It seems many members here like to jump to conclusions.
    1. I did not say that the number I provided was a Vin # , the answers to my question would show the level of knowledge to my question. In fact I managed to get one very informative answer from a very concise person with different models and dates.
    2. Who told you that I do not know about the pitfalls of a restoration ??? And who told you that the cars have not been done by experienced experts in Europe ?, one in France and one in Germany ( remember Porsche was born in Europe )
    3. Who told you that I am not taking a marque expert with me to visit these cars first on a lifter , then back on the ground and taking off all carpets from the car ?
    4. Who told you that all details in the car's interiors are not being scrutinised by this team of experts ?

    To pass the time and ponder my decision I come here to hear what you experts have to say on the subject. That is all , and of course, members here can choose to ignore my posts. But please those who do not choose to ignore my posts , please treat me with the respect of someone who intends to spend an awful lot of money to buy the finest example of a pre- bumper era car that you all love so much

    Thank you

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    To answer to your original question, a 1970 2.2 S seems much more interesting to me than a 1969 2.0 T.

    1969 2.0 S vs 1970 2.2 S would be much more difficult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowzer View Post
    May I add that the 1969, is the last of the SWB 2.0 .
    If it's a true 69 it's the first year of the LWB. 68 was the last year of the SWB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott72 View Post
    If it's a true 69 it's the first year of the LWB. 68 was the last year of the SWB.
    wrong date by me, its a 68 911 with no T L or S

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    Nothing but glad tidings and great joy toward Bowzer in his quest for perfection but there are a thousand details in regard to a restoration. Even top Parade winners enjoy differences in interpretation between them; some of them not so slight. (And then to complicate things, throw in intrinsic design and production differences between SWB and LWB!)

    Bowzer, please do us a huge solid; once you leave your world of delirium and finally purchase a car post lots of detailed pics of both cars so that we can judge. I think it's the least you can do in return for the charity extended by members of this community who have been so willing to help with your quandary.
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    If you are going to drive the car, go for the 70S, if it's going to sit in a collection, it doesn't matter.
    Although the car was originally built in Germany, I think you will find that we are notoriously pickier on this side of the Atlantic.
    Most Porsches that lived on that side rotted away long ago, or been in the hands of the Almera's clients.
    You also don't have the PCA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    Nothing but glad tidings and great joy toward Bowzer in his quest for perfection but there are a thousand details in regard to a restoration. Even top Parade winners enjoy differences in interpretation between them; some of them not so slight. (And then to complicate things, throw in intrinsic design and production differences between SWB and LWB!)

    Bowzer, please do us a huge solid; once you leave your world of delirium and finally purchase a car post lots of detailed pics of both cars so that we can judge. I think it's the least you can do in return for the charity extended by members of this community who have been so willing to help with your quandary.
    Kind Mr. Frank Beck,

    You will only see pictures of the car that I will buy.
    As you know it is not, 1. kind to place pictures of details of other people's property on the internet, and 2, It is illegal in my country.
    Therefore, why don't you just be so kind as to answer a simple question ?
    Maybe I shall rephrase it to make it even more simple.
    If one had to choose as an investment car, with an fortnightly drive in the dry to keep it on it's toes, from two fully restored cars ( as per best procedures possible , by renowned Porsche specialists in their respective countries) which would be the best one to go for , me being a novice ?
    1) being a 911 s 2.2 year of manufacture 1970 or
    2) being a 911 SWB ( US CAR ) 2.0 year of manufacture 1968
    They are both matching numbers and colours
    Maybe you can be even more kind by answering this simple question (by a new member) instead of going into details which only contracted experts on site can determine.
    My quest is not perfection , but trying to make the best buy possible since it will be my last in a collection of three special cars
    Again, I thank you

    Thank you

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    All my cars are drivers first, collectibles second. For me, the better car is the "S".

    As a collectible, either one is great. If the wheelbases are actually different (and we won't know for sure until you post the VIN), there are good arguments for both cars given that the conditions are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSTarga View Post
    If you are going to drive the car, go for the 70S, if it's going to sit in a collection, it doesn't matter.
    Although the car was originally built in Germany, I think you will find that we are notoriously pickier on this side of the Atlantic.
    Most Porsches that lived on that side rotted away long ago, or been in the hands of the Almera's clients.
    You also don't have the PCA
    Thank you RSTarga

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