How rare are power windows?

[BrentF]

I am fortunate to have power windows from the factory in my '70 911.

I get the impression this is a somewhat rare option in long hoods.

Rarer than sunroofs, which I guesstimate were on 10% of long hoods?

Any thoughts?

[edmayo]

I agree, very rare, probably more so in North America since dealers didn't tend to spec cars that way. My 72 ROW S does have them. They may have been more optioned in Europe.

[gulf908]

electric windows were standard on the UK 911 E and S and T Luxe from the 2.2 onward
its nice to get hold of a good UK long hood with all these goodies on
Porsche Cars GB had to include these extras in the spec as the 911 prices of the day were excessive compared to the E type and Lotus Elan of the day
unusual here in AUS

HTH
Dennis

[blue72s]

My RHD '70 has electric windows, but luckily no sunroof.

It's not easy to find a RHD without sunroof.

[davep]

Does anyone have documentation such as CoA for any of these UK models that show the 911xxx sales type? Do the UK CoA show these "standard options" as a listed option or is it assumed by the sales type code? I often see window stickers with the 5 speed as a listed and priced option even when the sales type code infers that it should be standard equipment for the car. The standard equipment for a car changed rather rapidly in the early 1970's both by model and by year with additional complications by market.

[911MRP]

On the British market one page foolscap price lists of early 70s it states what is in the U.K. imported higher spec bundles. It says word to effect : in addition to standard equipment in the factory brochure British market models are fitted with order things as standard… then there is a list of extra Lux kit. Also a little table of memory serves me well using dash x or S where x is denoted U.K. importers extra equipment here beyond that even in Lux . It also says British cars get standard steel tank — this was a regulatory issue on whole vehicle type approval not the concession holder being cheap.

The the British invoice brand new invoices for the “British spec” on the verbiage. The fahzeug auftrag shows C16/ EG RL o think so presumably that told the line workers the British equipment in addition to the more fundamental configuration of steering wheel RL lights and other things to drive on what by tradition the correct side of road that goes back to mediaeval knights and ergonomics of right handed person sword fighting on a horse before someone ( was it napoleon?) messed with it. If two knights on horseback are passing on a road most being right handed — think about which side would you pass in case the other attached. Also the reason castles here spiral staircase is designed to favour the upstairs defender from right handed attackers coming up a spiral stair. Logical and reason for why some things done for sensible ways in the past.

I agree that reason was to compete against domestic etype etc that was roughly half the price of an S. Note the electric window not on base cheapest British the 911T but as Dennis said the 911 T Lux for extra got it plus some other British market kit here. So that’s why as Dennis says here all above base T got electric lifts including the circa 100 British RS touring due to that m472 conversion getting the equivalent British S equipment set not German so other than hair shirt T a decent spec courtesy of importer feeling they need to make 911 commensurate with its luxury price. Many RS owners specified sunroof here as the m472 was the too if range abs the owners were well heeled sp added tongs — the stopped out M471 Sport didn’t sell well and a RS project would’ve foaled to achieve homologation volume goals (again like all previous attempts) if only that version was offered. So despite the story less is more Thai wasn’t true sport was cheaper reality is people actually buying wanted equipment ans added options here.

[911MRP]

My RHD '70 has electric windows, but luckily no sunroof.

It's not easy to find a RHD without sunroof.

Sunroof was a quite an expensive pay for option but in U.K. it was very popular because the temperature extremes both ends here is moderated by the gulf steam so hasn’t the big high big low temperature sometimes seen in continental Europe so little need for the air conditioning unit in that era. Certainly temperature different to some parts of USA remember New — paying for the upmarket Golde electric roof on 911 complemented the already inclusive electric window lifts and worked well with the opening vents rear quarter. Combination of three works very well here.air conditioning wasn’t sen that much in sixties and early severities here. Before any wag comments on the British rain I believe London has less rainfall than Paris so in any event of a showers prod the buttons and the roof / windows close . Imagine the shame of being the cheap skate not having specified a sunroof when taking a fancy new German sport car car down the golf club when the owners of fords and others would’ve had them in their company cars — because of the company car schemes here every model designation abs accessory was a badge of careers . James May did a wire amusing piece on the meaning in the car badging of Ford designed specifically to slow displays of relative importance in company based on L , Ghia badge etc.. tongue-in-cheek cheek but actually quite accurate in days of the ubiquitous company car scheme when it was a good yak efficient perquisite — folks couldn’t talk about size of salary but could display their relative rank in the car park .

911 wound hardly have been a wage slave company car more a senior executive or an owner things no doubt the toys on a car still featured on that culture here. By the way the weight of mechanism up high didn’t seem to much bother people who really knew how to drive these things well in rallies and track where sunroofs often to be found on many a 911 being hammered around and giving good account in sporting events.

Steve

[BrentF]

Thanks for the replies. Interesting comment about the UK market where the 911 had to compete for buyers with the E type, which was a pretty awesome value proposition in its day, or so I have read in Classic & Sports Car magazine.

My car with power windows is a German delivery '70 S that also came with the sunroof option, sports seats and wheel house trim. I purchased it last year from its long term owner who owned it from 1977-2021,

[NickP]

My French delivered slick top 73S was spec’d with power windows, called out on the COA.

[speedo]

Peripheral but interesting none the less...several years ago I picked up a very rusty 67 912 out of Craig CO. It was the "canvas" for me to build my Cobalt Blue R clone. I was stunned when I dis-assembled the interior to find that the door's (which I believe to have been original to the chassis as everything else was) interior skins were stamped with power window switch slots. I found it interesting that the power windows were engineered into the stampings several years before they were equiped with power windows.