Barn find 911 from Poland

[Biancaneve]

Maybe a silly question ... Mr. Zasada is still alive and, afaik, well ... as a very capable entrapreneur, he might have kept a record of his cars ... why not trying to contact him or his representatives directly?

[Kuba.Huminski]

Because simply he doesn't talk about his cars. Maybe because there were few cars with same registeration but without vin/engine numbers matching papers.

Asking Sobieslaw Zasada was the first thing we tried.

BTW- Sobieslaw Zasada is in superb condition. He even competed in a rally for senior drivers this autumn.

[Biancaneve]

OK thx, that's understood ...

[Elberoth]

Hi there,

This is my first post on this forum. I'm a Porsche enthusiast/owner myself and I've been following the story developing on YouTube (there are already 18 episodes on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ1...nsa47bg/videos).

Since 99.999% of you do not know Polish, here are some facts they led them to believe that they have found a car with some undiscovered rally history. It has been all summarised in the episode 18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxigsbJ-0BM

1. The car had once a rollcage fitted (you can watch it from 7:15s on the vid above). You can see the places where the roll cage was attached - on both sides of the car. There are also holes on the sides of the center tunnel (helmet holder maybe ?).

2. They believe the whole roof assembly on this car has been replaced (watch from 21:46s to 28:50s). This is the ONLY unmolested element of the car body. Not a single scratch or dent. This is significant, as the whole car body clearly shows the car was involved in a series of accidents. They go in details why the roof was replaced and how the replacement job differes from the original factory assembly (mainly due to the fact that the car body at the factory is put together is a different order when it is first created; as a result, when doing this kind of job, it is not possible to tack weld the roof it in certain spots, which have to be welded). They even brought another car body from the same era sitting next to it, to show those differencies. They job was done is such an expert fashion, that they argue it must have been done at the Porsche factory (certainly not communist Poland in the 70s).

3. The car has reinforced front cross member (4:05-4:55s), made from a much thicker steel (2.5mm). The front cross member has a tow hook welded in - like in the motorsport cars of the era.

4. The car was fitted with a bigger engine than had originally left the factory with - the round cross beam in the engine bay was reworked (flattened) in the center section to accomodate a 'longer' transmission (5:00-5:23) of a bigger engine. Later cars had this as a standard.

5. The whole car body shows shows excessive wear and tear. There are places where tack welds are completely loose. Also, the whole center tunnel near the front suspension has been pushed up (5:55-6:58s and 7:55-8:20s) and sits out of factory specs. They argue, that that was only possible in a car that was used in mortorsport. Loose welds are not a result of a single accident - the car would have to fall from a bridge. Instead, they are a result of constant stress, hundreds if not thousands of small shocks the suspension and car body was exposed to (during car jumps etc.).

6. The car had some instruments fitted under the dash (7:00-7:15s) as it has series of holes drilled that should not be present. Halda rally computer mounts ?

7. After stripping off paint from the hood and cutting off the underside (please note that the hood was shortened - the whole front was cut off, probably in the 80s, to make the car look like a turbo G model), they have discovered that the hood had halogen holes, that had been plug welded (14:00-15:40). Also, the hood - as the only panel on this car, was once painted matt black. Black hoods were quite common feature on rally cars in the 70s.

In my next post, I will outline why they think that the car MIGHT have been one of the Zasada cars that has been unaccounted for.

[Kuba.Huminski]

There is only one problem. This is not Zasada's car. We were trying to match this car with any of Sobek's csr for a month ;-)

[Elberoth]

There is only one problem. This is not Zasada's car. We were trying to match this car with any of Sobek's csr for a month ;-)

That is sth we do not know just yet. It seems that Zasada have used many different cars, with different VIN #.

Did Patryk get his Kardex ? Someone mentioned over a month ago that he had already ordered one.

[Kuba.Huminski]

I' m not allowed to discuss about the kardex. In fact we know most of Zasada csr vin nr and none of them matches.

[Elberoth]

Can you please post gearbox # ?

[Marcin]

According to the way that rear mudguards were attached with rivets it could be Michal Damm's Car. . but who could be the owner before him?1

[Kuba.Huminski]

Damms car vin is known. A guy going to the races in a Rolls Royce with a bus full of young girlfans could allow a new car. Damm was kind of a polish James Hunt.