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Thread: June 3rd 1973 Carrera RS leading the F1 pack at June 1973 Monaco GP

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    Thanks for correction and more clear b&w image Hugh. Name:  Screenshot_20190608-213306~2.jpg
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    Indeed on closer look it is a D not O on the plate. Carrera stripes are green

    Seems the Carrera RS model was popular choice as pace car for prominent international race events in the summer of 73 including Monaco and Le Mans. Two different examples.

    Even by late in second series ttg lamps used the correct silver grilles so stocks had not run out by then -- at least for prominent PR examples like this it was the choice rather than the later cut black plastic ones later in 73 when they ran out.

    Also appears to be on 6&7 Fuchs; if so another datapoint on the timing of the fashion and practice of fitting 7&8 on RS as discussed elsewhere on forum. Despite other pace car addenda on the car they didn't succumb to temptation of wider wheels than spec apparantly.

    I prefer the distinctive factory height stance etc of the 6&7 not the often lower wider wheeled stance that became popular as a no M# option.

    Hard to be sure but even on more clear photo I'm not seeing a roll cage? Also passenger observer doesn't seem to visibly have a seatbelt or harness on maybe to facilitate looking over shoulder and other tasks?

    Steve
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    Tanks to Autodiva, here are some others pictures.

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    ...eye-catching yellow RS trackside Monaco GP during the 1974 race. Assume RS and not french based on front spoiler.

    This is freeze frame from a video I own -- not a still. Presumably it had a role in race or at least influential owner to be in that prominent position in a service road

    Also in the video there was an orange one with different tail in race support service that year -- probably the ONS car?
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    Picking up an old post because Lord Hesketh has again taken the time to clarify the situation when Carrera RS James Hunt “took” seemingly in lieu of being paid was one of the circa 50 RHD 1973 2.7 RS from the original 500 series.

    Not the 1974 yellow RHD RS that is sometimes incorrectly claimed to be the car that Hunt “took”. He clearly feels strongly about this being corrected from the comments here where he mentions a sending legal letter to clarify the facts!

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    His latest comments above coming almost a decade after he used the times newspaper to correct the facts seem to show the BS still wrankles:
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...ve-30spvvpcmdq

    Last I saw the particular 2.7 RS was was still in long term possession of the Taylor family named in U.K. — it is reasonably a well known car as is its racing and ownership history in their hands in the U.K.

    A quick Google shows sadly that once information is out there on www confusion persists even when people who know (the original purchaser of both cars no less!) takes the time and trouble to put their view in the record to correct the claims. I recall having a discussion with a dealer who should’ve known better when they were persisting in promulgating incorrect information about the 74 yellow RS being the RS Hunt “took” and kept. Once “noise” gets into the “lore” it is difficult to correct

    James Hunt was not alone in deciding an original series RHD M472 Touring would do nicely in lieu of cash for services as an F1 driver around that time.

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    I have spoken to John Watson about this — he said it was actually Hexagon owner’s wife who was driving it on to the forecourt the first time he set eyes on it so decided to include it in the payment negotiations for the Hexagon Goldie F1 drive. After the chat I sent John copies a few rare things he hadn’t got pertaining to the earliest RHD 2.7 RS despite him owning it so long.

    As explained in earlier posts there was a limited quota of just ( around) fifty RS in RHD configuration among the important original five hundred RS examples the factory planned and made for the sole purpose of homologation.

    And six (including the one 74 RS for Australia with RHD) positioned tactically as an evolution of the 2.7 the following model year. Five Hesketh mentioned is the number of RHD 74 3.0 RS for Great Britain market.

    The yellow 74 model (I assume a typo 3.3 rather than 3.0) was ordered by and delivered to Lord Hesketh which is both a noteworthy car and owner but certainly not the same thing as being the car Hunt “acquired” and proceeded to drive for a number of years.

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    Hunt was a neighbour living a few hundred yards from here until his death; he had an eclectic taste in road cars. Most often seen, on occasions shoeless, riding his old-fashioned bicycle when taking his Alsatian dog for daily exercise on the common, rather than in a car.

    To be one of the original 500 specifically used to homologate the model the Hunt and Watson would’ve been ordered in October 1972 and built to the lighter-weight limited edition specification to be counted towards certification.

    Making and homologating an additional 500 for a different FiA group was an opportunity that opened-up. This is known and the situation for GB market evidenced by this breaking news snippet in the British press in mid October when (to the surprise of many) they had sold out all RS so rapidly the week or two before it was published for the Earl’s Court British Motorshow held a couple of weeks after RS had Paris launch.
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    (Talking of noise that persists and stuff that wrankles students of RS model nuances will note the use of the term “lightweight” back then is referring to all the M472 and M471 in that original RHD quota — as a context there were just over three handfuls of M471 Sport made in RHD in total — so clearly all the quota of 51 RS originally planned and built to achieve homologation in that original 500 were correctly described in period as “lightweight”! This early specification changed after homologation was formally achieved when Porsche issued a memo to desist weighing and to stop including many of the lighter weight features and convoluted RS build protocols that were what made the RS a distinct homologation lightweight special — things not found on the last series. Over 500 later examples that maybe wasn’t even on the radar when these events unfolded in first half of October 1972).

    With Hunt having “taken” the lilac 2.7 RS (it eventually got Hesketh team colour and rear sticker ) at Monaco GP in 73 in May Hesketh presumably ordered a replacement. While they were being advertised to the well heeled country set in March I’m not sure when the concessionaires would have stopped taking orders for the 2.7 and cut to the very few 3.0 Not sure when they stopped taking orders if 2.7 RS on 73 and the five 3.0 version was possible. With his very high profile Lord Hesketh was very eligible I suppose.

    This as how the 2.7 were advertised by the Great Britain concessionaire in the spring of 73:
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    Found it interesting to read the careful wording in advert about “production car” for Daytona race. My understanding is as at the time of the Daytona win the homologation certification wasn’t officially complete so technically the car had to be entered as a prototype in that race — although in fairness certification and build process of the homologation proof via the town scales was well underway. The quantity had also been increased from the original 500 to 500 more.

    By the time of the Daytona Race in early Feb 1973 being referenced some of the earliest examples from the 319 RS examples built in calendar 1972 were already on the road. Just three handfuls RHD in the U.K. I’d guesstimate. The Watson 3xx car being a January build probably missing that early February registration coincidence; the Hesketh/Hunt 2.7 4xx being among the later part of original 500 examples wasn’t registered on the British road in early February.

    Steve
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