Hi Karim
I hadn't seen much in the press.
Curious to know in the increasingly connected world what proportion of the disputed property has been located? ?
Fingers crossed for you and others.
Steve
Hi Karim
I hadn't seen much in the press.
Curious to know in the increasingly connected world what proportion of the disputed property has been located? ?
Fingers crossed for you and others.
Steve
Last edited by 911MRP; 06-09-2019 at 05:16 AM.
The Story gets another turn, in Aachen/Germany a renowned owner of a shop for historic Porsche is arrested and allegedly accused of being part of a criminal ring, dealing with fake/modified cars, mostly prototypes. The damage/loss sum is reported at over 100 Million Euro. The arrested (presumed innocent) owner Uwe N. had business relations with defunct Flat Six Cars GMBH (presumed innocent).
Press:
https://www.aachener-nachrichten.de/...t_aid-44323343
https://www.google.ch/amp/s/m.bild.d...ildMobile.html
Last edited by 911T1971; 08-13-2019 at 06:09 AM.
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The local newspaper from Aachen is today more precise:
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....“Die vormaligen Schrottautos, die nun beispielsweise auf Porsche-Oldtimer getrimmt wurden, werden dann als vermeintliche Originale an betuchte Interessenten verkauft. In diesem Zusammenhang hat es jetzt eine Großrazzia mehrerer Ermittlungsbehörden gegeben. Mittelpunkt: Aachen. Dabei wurde ebenfalls in Aachen ein 48-jähriger Geschäftsmann verhaftet, den die Behörden verdächtigen, Drahtzieher solcher Geschäfte gewesen zu sein.
Vergangenen Mittwoch wurden zeitgleich in Aachen und Umgebung, aber auch in Rheinland-Pfalz und Baden-Württemberg 18 Wohnungen und Firmen durchsucht. Das bestätigen Polizei und Staatsanwaltschaft. Es werde wegen des Verdachts des „banden- und gewerbsmäßigen Betruges“ ermittelt. „Der Gruppierung wird vorgeworfen, sich zusammengeschlossen zu haben, um schrottreife Oldtimer- und Rennfahrzeuge wiederaufzubauen bzw. Replikate solcher Fahrzeuge herzustellen, sie mit deutschen Zulassungspapieren zu versehen und sie sodann als angebliche Originalfahrzeuge gewinnbringend zu veräußern“, heißt es. Bei der Razzia sei „umfangreiches Beweismaterial sichergestellt“ worden. Mehr sagen die Ermittler derzeit nicht.
Nach Informationen unserer Zeitung waren unter diesen Beweismitteln eben auch derlei mutmaßlich gefälschte Oldtimer. Nicht bestätigen wollen die Behörden, dass es alleine im aktuellen, unter anderem in Aachen spielenden Fall um eine Schadenssumme von rund 100 Millionen Euro gehen soll. Unter Insider hält man diese Summe jedoch womöglich nur für die Spitze eines Eisbergs. Es sei gut möglich, dass noch viel mehr Geld im Spiel sei. Nach Informationen unserer Zeitung sollen auch Personen in die mutmaßlich kriminellen Geschäfte verwickelt sein, die nicht direkt mit der „Fahrzeugherstellung“, sondern einerseits mit der Geld- und Materialbeschaffung für die Fälschung eines Oldtimers und andererseits mit der Vermittlung an potenzielle Käufer zu tun haben.
Weiteren Informationen unserer Zeitung zufolge wird in diesem „Geschäftsfeld“ nicht nur viel Geld mit dem Verkauf gefälschter Automobilraritäten verdient, sondern auch mit der Herstellung der gefälschten Papiere. Diese sollen demnach unter anderem dergestalt auf alt „getunt“ werden, dass man sie zeitgemäß auf Schreibmaschinen aus der entsprechenden Epoche beschriftet. Auf Basis dieser Papiere können dann die falschen Oldtimer entstehen. Was beim besagten Ferrari 250 GTO nicht geht, weil alle 39 Originale noch erhalten sind, funktioniert bei anderen Fahrzeugen sehr wohl. So sollen Lücken in den damals vergebenen Reihen der Fahrgestellnummern, die nicht immer durchlaufend waren, genutzt werden. Somit soll es Fälschungen geben, deren Fahrgestellnummern vermeintlich einem Original gehören, welches jedoch mit diesen Nummern nie gebaut wurde. Heutzutage sollen zudem gleich mehrere für Millionen verkaufte, vermeintlich echte Raritäten mit ein und derselben Fahrgestellnummer unterwegs sein.
Verdacht keimte schon früher
Im Aachener Fall geht es insbesondere um Porsche-Fahrzeuge, teils mit Straßenzulassung, teils als reine Rennwagen gebaut. Durchsucht wurden in dem Zusammenhang dem Vernehmen nach Gebäude in Aachen, in der Städteregion, in Düsseldorf und Leverkusen.
Die Verdächtigen sollen Fahrzeuge auch in die USA und nach Japan verkauft haben. Dabei war offenbar so viel Geld unterwegs, dass das Gericht nach Informationen unserer Zeitung für den in U-Haft sitzenden 48-jährigen Aachener wegen Fluchtgefahr sogar eine Freilassung auf Kaution in Millionenhöhe abgelehnt hat.
Dem Vernehmen gab es den Verdacht gegen die jetzt im Fokus stehende Gruppe bereits seit zwei Jahren. Damals sollen bei einer Porsche-Auktion Fahrzeuge aufgetaucht sein, deren Papiere und Fahrgestellnummern sich als gefälscht herausstellten. Insider sagen indes, dass die Betrugsmasche weltweit schon sehr lange laufe. Bei dem, was man damit verdienen kann, würde das kaum verwundern. Und mancher, der sich für Millionen seinen automobilen Lebenstraum in die Garage gestellt hat, besitzt in Wirklichkeit nur – wenn auch aufwendig – aufgemöbelten Schrott.“
ENGLISH (Google)
The former scrap cars, which were now trimmed, for example, on Porsche vintage cars, are then sold as alleged originals to well-heeled buyers. In this context, there has now been a large-scale raid by several investigative authorities. Center: Aachen. At the same time, a 48-year-old businessman was arrested in Aachen, suspected of being the mastermind behind such transactions.
Last Wednesday, 18 apartments and companies were searched simultaneously in Aachen and the surrounding area, but also in Rhineland-Palatinate and Baden-Württemberg. The police and prosecutor confirm that. It was determined on suspicion of "gang and commercial fraud". "The group is accused of having joined together to rebuild old cars and race cars and produce replicas of such vehicles, to provide them with German registration papers and then sell them as a purported original vehicles profitably," it says. During the raid "extensive evidence was ensured". More say the investigators currently.
According to information from our newspaper were under this evidence just such allegedly fake vintage cars. The authorities do not want to confirm that alone in the current case, which will be played in Aachen, among other things, a loss amounting to around 100 million euros is expected. However, insiders believe that this sum is only for the tip of an iceberg. It is quite possible that much more money is involved. According to our newspaper, people in the allegedly criminal business are involved, who do not directly with the "vehicle manufacturing", but on the one hand with the procurement of money and materials for the fake of a classic car and on the other hand with the mediation to potential buyers have to do.
According to our newspaper, this "business" not only earns a lot of money selling fake automobile rarities, but also the production of counterfeit paper. These should, among other things, be "tuned" to such an old form that they are labeled in a contemporary manner on typewriters from the corresponding epoch. On the basis of these papers can then arise the wrong vintage cars. What the said Ferrari 250 GTO is not, because all 39 originals are still preserved, works well in other vehicles. So should gaps in the then assigned series of chassis numbers, which were not always continuous, are used.
Thus, there are forgeries whose chassis numbers supposedly belong to an original, which, however, was never built with these numbers. Nowadays, several sold for millions, supposedly real rarities with one and the same chassis number to be on the go.
Suspicion germinated earlier
In the Aachen case, it is especially about Porsche vehicles, partly with street legal, partly built as pure racing cars. According to reports, buildings in Aachen, in the city region, in Düsseldorf and Leverkusen were searched.
The suspects are said to have sold vehicles in the US and Japan. It was apparently so much money on the way, that the court has even refused a release on bail in the millions for information of our newspaper for the 48-year-old Aachener sitting in custody due to flight danger.
There was suspicion against the group now in focus for two years already. At that time, vehicles were to appear at a Porsche auction, whose papers and chassis numbers turned out to be fake. Insiders say, however, that the scam mesh has been running for a very long time worldwide. That would hardly be surprising in what one can earn with it. And some people who have put their automobiles life dream in the garage for millions, has in reality only - albeit consuming - aufgemöbelten scrap.
Last edited by 911T1971; 08-03-2019 at 12:06 PM.
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wow, I bet a lot of people that recently spent a fortune on classic special Porsches will sit worried...
and i bet that not only those who bought a classic special Porsche sit worriedOriginally Posted by patrick911
Another case surfaced in Germany, on a RSR.
https://www.soester-anzeiger.de/loka...-12817182.html
It's about a lot of horsepower - where "PS" can also stand for "Porsche dispute". For such a car, an old, very rare and above all expensive copy, it goes to court. And four more cars to pay in exchange.
Werl / Arnsberg - In the dispute over a Porsche 911 RS 3.0 (built in 1974), a Swiss car collector has sued a Werler company; the 2nd Civil Division of the District Court now negotiated in the case. It's about a high six-digit amount in euros and a car that was the dream car to the "nightmare car". A judgment is still pending. On July 26, there will be a release date at 10 clock. And it stands out: Both sides could apparently be what one calls "gelackmeiert" in the dubious game for a total of five sports cars.
First, it was now in court to bring light into the events around the five cars with a total value far beyond the million-mark. The aim of the plaintiff is to reverse the purchase agreement for that Porsche. "The plaintiff collects as a hobby classic sports cars, with which he regularly participates in German sports car events," said the district court Arnsberg. The complained Werler company acts accordingly with classic sports cars.
Swiss "sports car crazy"
As a "crazy sports car" referred to the Hamburg lawyer Dr. Mathias Creon his Swiss client. The man calls his own a collection of sporty classic cars. Then that Porsche from Germany caught his attention, which was apparently to acquire - a rare collector's item of German automotive history, estimated at around one million Swiss francs. This is where the Werler company comes into play, over which the car should have been offered by a third party.
Werler's managing director is said to have worked for himself in Switzerland at a company that was considered by industry circles to be renowned for the distribution of Porsche. Later, the Werler self-employed with a company in the Wallfahrstadt - also here with a focus of the sports car brand. Among other things, there is a sales location in Switzerland.
Connoisseurs of the industry intervened
The intricacies took their opaque course: A former colleague of the Werler intervened, a connoisseur of the industry; He is said to have made the Swiss customer aware of this legendary sports car and also threaded the sales deal in Switzerland, says lawyer Creon. The Porsche 911 RS 3.0 had been temporarily brought from Germany to Switzerland for appraisal to his client. It was bargained for the price until the agreement: 710,000 Swiss francs (about 670,000 euros).
The buyer does not have to pay in cash, but can also pay with cars of his own collection, the middleman offered. This has accepted his client, says the specialist lawyer for commercial and corporate law: Two Porsche, a racing Ford Capri and a Corvette from his collection wanted to give the Swiss to acquire the sports car from Germany. However, the car of desire should be allowed in Germany and remain there in a garage in order to drive with him, for example, on the Nürburgring; that, too, was part of the agreement. By fax then the business with the Werler company was contractually regulated, says lawyer Creon, and that on August 15, 2018, on the stationery of the Werler entrepreneur, signed and stamped.
Porsche 911 disappeared
The Swiss purchaser then complied with his contractual obligation and at short notice handed over the four classic cars of his collection to three recipients named in Switzerland. But the Porsche, which is all about, should be brought back to Germany after a few days, partly because of a small repair - and because he should be allowed here anyway.
The "911" was abarbeitegemäßlich picked up by the buyer - and since then disappeared, says the Hamburg lawyer. His client had only become suspicious after some time, had nachgehakt and finally filed a criminal complaint. The attempts to retrieve the four cars delivered had failed; the acquirers had stated that they had paid the middleman.
Swiss remains sitting on the damage
Now the Swiss sits on his damage. It was said in court, says Creon, that the expensive car of the Werler company never heard. Since the Swiss but has concluded the contract with the Werler company and the plaintiff sees them in the obligation to fulfill the contract, the Werler sued for damages - even if ultimately the middleman could be the one who had evil in mind, without the Werler something of it suspected.
It is quite possible that the Werler dealer trusted a fake, says lawyer Creon; Nevertheless, the dealer must adhere. In court, the lawyer filed an auxiliary request, which exchanged the publication of the four
Last edited by 911T1971; 08-13-2019 at 06:09 AM.
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As I read this update at the same time I watching a TV program about Facebook and the over 100 million fake/scammer accounts it has set up on it. Good to see these bastards got caught!
72S, 72T now ST
today in the german newspaper BILD: https://www.bild.de/geld/wirtschaft/...1652.bild.html - translation by Google
This story plays in the finest circles.
Dominique Guenat (67) has a passion. The co-founder of Swiss luxury manufacturer Richard Mille (whose watches cost up to one million euros) loves vintage racing cars. Winning vehicles such as the Porsche 935. At the end of the 70s, Porsche took the World Cup. Four years in a row.
Gathering these unique winners is a hobby super-rich. A secretive billion market. So an original winning Porsche 935 costs up to three million euros, replicated with today's technology copy (replica) only a fraction of it. In a few industries, so much is faked as here.
The prosecutor Aachen is currently investigating a gang of suspected fraudsters. Their head Uwe N. (48) has been in custody for three weeks.
„We accuse the group around Aachen of having rebuilt scrap racing cars or made replicas in order to sell them as ableget originals," says investigating prosecutor Jan Balthasar (41). Even former Porsche factory drivers should be involved.
Uwe N. is a skilled draftsman. After studying architecture, he builds cars instead of houses, opens his own vintage car house with 22 employees. His clients include cosmetic surgeons and international entrepreneurs such as Guenat.
A historic race car of the bankers Rothschild family has seized the prosecutor in mid-July with him. In addition a good dozen Porsches of the 50s to 80s, from the James Dean Porsche 550 Spyder to the Porsche 917. For the one collector last paid 12.5 million euros, while a copy is worth a million.
Prosecutor Balthasar: "The extensive evidence is now being evaluated." The investigators check whether they are originals, the material is really old, the chassis numbers real.
Also at Porsche in Stuttgart were the investigators. The archive provides information about what happened to the original cars, whether they are being scrapped.
A spokesman: "Porsche AG supports the investigating authorities in their research." Within the framework of the legal options, we basically "oppose external replicas, replicas or plagiarisms of historic vehicles of the brand".
Uwe N.'s lawyer Michael Rietz: "I am interested in the full investigation of the allegations. Every customer knew exactly what he was buying. He ordered it himself. My client is only supposed to play the scapegoat here. "
a shame that after 20 odd years of development, web translator tools are still so very poor.
It would be helpful to see a better translation of the James Dean 550 Spyder reference. I thought that car is still unfound.
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