Luftgekuehlt 2019 any news ??

[rower]

So the people whose cars were accepted are happy and love the show but those whose cars were rejected think the show isn’t about the cars and it’s elitist? ��

Obviously the show doesn’t have enough spots and they may make arbitrary decisions. Isn’t enough of a reason impending my book to hate on them.

[DavidRS]

Several of us from the So Cal Porsche scene with 25-30 years of ties, had our cars denied. This event is becoming a “cronies” event. Some of the cars there in the last few years were garbage. If the event is not about the cars then what’s the point? Call it a “cool guys, with retro industrial vibes, and giant wrist watches” convention. Think of a bunch of Richard Rawlings looking guys in Piloti shoes and Starbucks walking around. It’s way over priced, the locations are generally crappy to get to, and parking and crowd control was really not welcoming the last few years. I like Patrick Long, but this thing is losing its way. No thanks, I’ll go burn my tires off in a canyon somewhere, and get a coffee at a diner.

apologies for the elitist comment in my earlier post. But having attended for the past 3 years, I find the logic of who is in and who is not less than transparent. This lack of criteria lends itself to cronyism or favorites. Easy to select who you know. Pretty sure the R Gruppe guys are in. The lumber yard was interesting and seemed to allow a good number of just regular cars in, but it lacked character. The San Pedro even foreshadowed this event by its clear separation. An extra $20 or so to park in a Porsche only lot but separate from the action. Hey, great cars in that venue plus craft beer.

Cudos to Long and Zwart. However, given the pricing, the swag and branded stuff, my sense is they are making a bunch of money on the back of the air-cooled community. Again, good for them. So what really gets in you in? Driving from the east coast? Hand built components, unique design, right stance, who you know, all of these? Big events demand transparency, this event is the poster child for opaque

[LiveFromNY]

Big events demand transparency

Hogwash. By who and to whom?

The way I see it, it's their event and they can do exactly as they wish with it. And the rest of us can vote with our dollars. I'm just thankful for the opportunity to attend and see some great cars.

[DavidRS]

Hogwash. By who and to whom?

The way I see it, it's their event and they can do exactly as they wish with it. And the rest of us can vote with our dollars. I'm just thankful for the opportunity to attend and see some great cars.

I am complete agreement with you. Just don't advertise this as an air-cooled meet. Advertise it as an art show that includes aircooled cars

[jimxyz]

This will be my forth Luft - I've enjoyed all of them, but the last two were definitely less like a car gathering and more like a concert with the long lines for food and toilets. Even though I feel like I'm starting to see many of the same cars repeated in the display area, there has been plenty of eye candy to make it well worth it for me to go back. My car was rejected - its a former R Gruppe car and is definitely different than most 911s that show up for the local C&C, but its not a show car. I just wanted to get "in" so I could pack in my own food, haha. I prefer Rennsport Reunion or the historic races at Laguna Seca, but I'll keep going to Luft until the lines start to resemble Disneyland... It would be interesting if a renegade gathering would pop up nearby - sort of like we have seen at Sundance Film Festival. Parallel festivals like "Slamdance" aimed at the alternative crowd popped up around the film festival and proved to be pretty cool and well attended.

[Nathanbs]

My car was accepted, but I'm having trouble in the checkout process. It keeps telling me I need to sign the event waiver. I don't see an event waiver?
Anyone else having the same issue?

I’m assuming you’ve figured it out by now? There was a little box that you need to check

[endo911rs]

The even waiver is just a box that you check.

[LongRanger]

. . . The way I see it, it's their event and they can do exactly as they wish with it. And the rest of us can vote with our dollars . . .

There ya go

The last Luft that we attended was #3. I’d gone on-line and received our invite, along with specific instructions + times, which --- judging from the pack at the entrance . . . seems many ignored. Not a big problem = crowds in SoCal are pretty-much a given. We liked the venue, but by the time we got inside, the car placement seemed a bit hurried-bordering-on-haphazard, especially as the number of attendees swelled. Some of the cars had been specifically placed + organized and there was some pretty cool stuff to see --- the RS display comes to mind. But most of the rest of us were just parked as space allowed. I thought the idea for the venue was brilliant --- a green-less industrial site = all the cars really popped . . . but given the way the event was organized . . .

. . . = just another car show . . . + kinda disappointing

Skipped the next two events, although it seems that with the last one --- inside a lumber yard? . . . Luft found its stride . . . = sorry I missed. Which was why I applied for this. I’m not sure how big the display area will be but --- a city-set @Universal Studios? . . . sounds epic. Plus, given the venue in general --- I’m thinking that the Organizers actually have a site that’s specifically designed/built for handling crowds


Short Version = I’d expect a blow-out --- + possibly a ‘break-out’ event . . .


I mean --- it’s one thing to put-together a bunch of cars w/ a band of Social Mediums in some anonymous industrial park, sell 'em some beer + swag, then call it an 'event.' Now you take your car-circus to Universal Studios? . . .


. . . THAT’s gonna attract some attention . . .





. . . + did I mention TV coverage?




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[Mr9146]

My dad's blue car was accepted. Frankly, I think the reason it got accepted is because A) it was his car and B) it's going to be the car's last hurrah in the care of our family before it finds a new caretaker. And that was what I wrote in the submission and, I think, whomever did the choosing saw value in that story (and the fact that it's Gemini Blue).

Does it absolutely break my heart that Stacy's RS didn't get accepted? Yes. Absolutely it does. And that is 90% selfish because I've been taking care of that car for the last decade and think it's one of the coolest RSs in the world based on its history with Ruf.

But here's the thing ... it's a cART show. The cars are art and the whole thing is an installation. Pat, Howie, and Jeff have the thankless job of putting it all together for us to enjoy. And like any business (because that is EXACTLY was Luftgekuhlt is), you can't make everyone happy all the time ... you just have to do your best work all the time and know that some people are just gonna end up unhappy. It sucks, but that's life.

These guys have a vision; they are trying to create something that is both inclusive and aesthetically pleasing. Perhaps Stacy's car, or your car, or your car, or your car didn't quite fit the vision of the art installation that these guys are creating. And don't forget, it's the 50th anniversary of the 914 ... perhaps a mid-engine theme is going to take place and there were just too many 917s, 904s, 906s, 908s, and 910s registered that the 911 crowd had to share space.

Last year at Ganhal there were too many cars. Fact. The event was ULTRA inclusive and, yet, some people still got left out. So you have to ask yourself, is a highly-curated event with spectacular cars staged in an ultra-cool space that allows for AMAZING photos from virtually every angle what you want? Or do you just want to park your car inside the show so you can bring your own food and save a buck? What's more important to you?

The negative response here is, frankly, shocking to me. In a time when cars and coffee events are ubiquitous and becoming more and more boring and cookie cutter, I find Luftgekuhlt refreshing. Going to a mall parking lot is totally inclusive, but it's that lack of "curation" that I find completely boring. And it's the same cars every weekend. Super boring and I can only handle, like, 30min before I need to seek refuge in motion. But Luft is different. Pat reminded me the other day that I once called Luft a gathering Porsche Hipsters (yes, he reads the boards and probably this thread). I was right in that assessment - it was in Venice and there were hipsters everywhere - but I was wrong in my implication. Now when I look back I see that these guys were building something ... it took a little while to put a finer point on it, but I think they've really hit their stride. And pulling down the Universal back lot is MEGA.

Am I excited to be included in the event? ABSOLUTELY. But I'm more pumped about the venue than the fact that the car got in. I grew up in SoCal and have taken the back lot tram tour more times than I can recall, and I've always wanted to just bail out of the tour and walk around what I think is a space that's as magical (and arguably more historical) as Disneyland. Even if my dad's car was denied the opportunity to participate I can 100% guarantee that I would attend the event just to say that I was there.

So I urge the naysayers and disgruntled complainers to take a step back and try to look at the bigger picture of what Luft is in relation to the car culture landscape as a whole. Try and think of the event as an art installation that we are allowed to participate in. Again, what Pat and the boys are doing is a largely thankless job. We are lucky they are passionate enough about the whole thing to even do it all, because the alternative is to go to a parking lot somewhere like you did last week, with the same people as last week, and look at the same cars as last week, and tell the same stories as last week.

Luft is once a year because it's MEGA. And I'm glad that it is...

[John Binion]

I couldn’t of said it any better Marco.

My dad's blue car was accepted. Frankly, I think the reason it got accepted is because A) it was his car and B) it's going to be the car's last hurrah in the care of our family before it finds a new caretaker. And that was what I wrote in the submission and, I think, whomever did the choosing saw value in that story (and the fact that it's Gemini Blue).

Does it absolutely break my heart that Stacy's RS didn't get accepted? Yes. Absolutely it does. And that is 90% selfish because I've been taking care of that car for the last decade and think it's one of the coolest RSs in the world based on its history with Ruf.

But here's the thing ... it's a cART show. The cars are art and the whole thing is an installation. Pat, Howie, and Jeff have the thankless job of putting it all together for us to enjoy. And like any business (because that is EXACTLY was Luftgekuhlt is), you can't make everyone happy all the time ... you just have to do your best work all the time and know that some people are just gonna end up unhappy. It sucks, but that's life.

These guys have a vision; they are trying to create something that is both inclusive and aesthetically pleasing. Perhaps Stacy's car, or your car, or your car, or your car didn't quite fit the vision of the art installation that these guys are creating. And don't forget, it's the 50th anniversary of the 914 ... perhaps a mid-engine theme is going to take place and there were just too many 917s, 904s, 906s, 908s, and 910s registered that the 911 crowd had to share space.

Last year at Ganhal there were too many cars. Fact. The event was ULTRA inclusive and, yet, some people still got left out. So you have to ask yourself, is a highly-curated event with spectacular cars staged in an ultra-cool space that allows for AMAZING photos from virtually every angle what you want? Or do you just want to park your car inside the show so you can bring your own food and save a buck? What's more important to you?

The negative response here is, frankly, shocking to me. In a time when cars and coffee events are ubiquitous and becoming more and more boring and cookie cutter, I find Luftgekuhlt refreshing. Going to a mall parking lot is totally inclusive, but it's that lack of "curation" that I find completely boring. And it's the same cars every weekend. Super boring and I can only handle, like, 30min before I need to seek refuge in motion. But Luft is different. Pat reminded me the other day that I once called Luft a gathering Porsche Hipsters (yes, he reads the boards and probably this thread). I was right in that assessment - it was in Venice and there were hipsters everywhere - but I was wrong in my implication. Now when I look back I see that these guys were building something ... it took a little while to put a finer point on it, but I think they've really hit their stride. And pulling down the Universal back lot is MEGA.

Am I excited to be included in the event? ABSOLUTELY. But I'm more pumped about the venue than the fact that the car got in. I grew up in SoCal and have taken the back lot tram tour more times than I can recall, and I've always wanted to just bail out of the tour and walk around what I think is a space that's as magical (and arguably more historical) as Disneyland. Even if my dad's car was denied the opportunity to participate I can 100% guarantee that I would attend the event just to say that I was there.

So I urge the naysayers and disgruntled complainers to take a step back and try to look at the bigger picture of what Luft is in relation to the car culture landscape as a whole. Try and think of the event as an art installation that we are allowed to participate in. Again, what Pat and the boys are doing is a largely thankless job. We are lucky they are passionate enough about the whole thing to even do it all, because the alternative is to go to a parking lot somewhere like you did last week, with the same people as last week, and look at the same cars as last week, and tell the same stories as last week.

Luft is once a year because it's MEGA. And I'm glad that it is...