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    Quote Originally Posted by Huge View Post
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    That is a legendary color on a 911, it flows over the body in such a good way.
    I had a’67 SWT in this color that I sold largely because I didn’t like the color. Once again demonstrating my deficiency as an arbiter of taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    That's easy.

    Street car.

    Far and away more buyers for properly restored 64 street cars than race cars.
    Racers buy "hardware" and a fast-pass into prestigious events. (And will pay accordingly.) Street guys buy glamour, status, and a story. And will pay though the nose for bragging rights. (Welcome to the new reality.)
    IMHO I believe a high water mark currently for a FIA 64 is maybe $500k? Unless it has extraordinary history.


    The real question is this: With the condition and level of race prep does it make economical sense to turn it back into a street car versus what it will sell for as an FIA legal car with history?
    Personally I'm going to pay more for a car with race history. Why can't we have both? Period race cars from this period are very street friendly. The second I saw race info it peeked my curiosity on top of that it beats talking about date matched wheels

    So more to the point what is the history??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fubawu View Post
    Personally I'm going to pay more for a car with race history. Why can't we have both? Period race cars from this period are very street friendly. The second I saw race info it peeked my curiosity on top of that it beats talking about date matched wheels

    So more to the point what is the history??
    So you're now a $400k race car buyer John?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    So you're now a $400k race car buyer John?

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    $400k seems a bit low for this car no? If this is going to sell for 400 we would all be buyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fubawu View Post
    $400k seems a bit low for this car no?
    ????
    Who's on First?

    This car meaning 082?

    It's not a race car. And doesn't have FIA history.


    I was talking a beater 64 FIA car for 400k.

    No one would build a race car out of 082.

    Driving Solex equipped 2.0 race car on the street sounds like no joy.
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    I've read the thread wrong. The owner of this car chimed in and said it had race history?

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    First of all:
    when I found the car I was very excited because of the VIN nr.
    The car was correct and pretty original, but NOT complete.
    It was used, raced and yes it was allready well priced.
    The only thing that convinced me to buy it was the fantastic colour, enamel blue and the complete known history of the car.
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    Correct, it was raced when I found it.
    My opinion was that this car deserved to be restored.

    I still have the Fia pass and yes it did race at Le Mans in 2000. Also Spa Francorchamps.
    2 Original FIA passes with the car…

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    Ahhh...

    Big difference between a car that has been “raced” and a race car.

    And perhaps an even bigger gap between a race car and a “winning race car”. One has been an instrument to help serve a dream; the other a tool in the hands of a craftsman.
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    Michael,

    So much much knowledge and enthusiasm on this board but you didn't ask. Why? People would have been happy to help you to do this right. Now, too late, pics and the whole auction are on the internet and everybody will find them in a fraction of a second. Just wrong details? Many but we probably (based on experience) know that it's not easy to get them all right. But even obvious and VERY simple items like the front fender to cowl seal habe been chosen and installed miserably. Look at the pics, what's left to say? Early 911's had folded leatherette-material between the fender and the cowl, you've used the ugly wide rubber ones of later models. You had one chance...
    Mike, member #841

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    Mike66 a little dramatic here. So the fender seal is wrong.
    Why does he have only one chance to get it right? Guys most of the things "wrong" on this car are minor and can be corrected.

    We are making it sound like RWB took his knife to this car??

    To the current owner it's a great find.
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