What is Option M435?

[HughH]

I have the same description for M102. Do you have body type for that?

Hi dave
i just checked against my RS codes. I have M102 on that as well and no M436. i suspect my original M436 entry 9whichj was on a typewritten list nott a document many be an error. i will chase up when i can I think you may be right about the M435 code being the big driving lights above bumper. I know of an Australian car deleivered like that so it would not be cpoountry specific. I will try to find out what the code was for that car. On the M codes I don’t think they are model specific (or indeed country specific) If a M code means something in one model and country it will mean the same in all models and countries BUT possibly only for a specific year or two as I am a ware some numbers have been “recycled”

[911T1971]

I dont think its for Cibies as seen before, Cibies were never a factory option.
Most likely yellow fog lights under bumber, France only.
(Car above has a mix of different years, like wheels and light housing, one also should know if the optional front spoiler for a 72T is original)

[HughH]

I dont think its for Cibies as seen before, Cibies were never a factory option.
Most likely yellow fog lights under bumber, France only.
(Car above has a mix of different years, like wheels and light housing, one also should know if the optional front spoiler for a 72T is original)

Karim
My understanding is the car I am thinking of that was delivered to Australia was delivered with those lights in that position new ex factory. Maybe the option is not on any public list but it certainly seems to have been available

[ttdi75]

I dont think its for Cibies as seen before, Cibies were never a factory option.
Most likely yellow fog lights under bumber, France only.
(Car above has a mix of different years, like wheels and light housing, one also should know if the optional front spoiler for a 72T is original)

Yes, it's also the information I had about "cibies".
My car has several elements that have been modified (Ats rims, Spoiler "s" fiber, grilles and black flashers surround).

I contacted porsche, the option 435 corresponds to the rims 5.5x15 in "sheet metal" with tires 165H70

What I do not understand is that for me it misses options in my certificate (options that seems to me original).
Recaro comfort seats
Anti-roll bars Front / Rear
Seat Belts (Front)

[HughH]

I checked with the previous owner of the Australian car (yellow1973E below) with this light set up - he said that he ia 100% sure that they are factory but does not know the option number for them. They are fully factory wired into the lighting system

Also here are a couple of photos of the RS book where the light options are discussed
you can see there are two Cibie options shown, one body colour and the other black. While the M option numbers are given for all the other lighting options these are described only as "could be ordered as sports parts"


Likewise the ST rally cars ex factory also were optioned with this light setup, either on its own or combined with two more hood mounted lights as shown in the well known photo of a 72ST rally car brand new at the factory - there would have been option numbers for these BUT in the sport department not in the general retail option paperwork

[911T1971]

Yes, it's also the information I had about "cibies".
My car has several elements that have been modified (Ats rims, Spoiler "s" fiber, grilles and black flashers surround).

I contacted porsche, the option 435 corresponds to the rims 5.5x15 in "sheet metal" with tires 165H70

What I do not understand is that for me it misses options in my certificate (options that seems to me original).
Recaro comfort seats
Anti-roll bars Front / Rear
Seat Belts (Front)

Recaro comfort seats? Ie standard seats ? Not an option, only Sport seats were.
Seat Belts was probably mandatory by 1972 and, usually dealer installed.
Anti-Roll bar cant comment, either COA is wrong or not original or standard equipment.‘

As for your info M435, i doubt its correct.

Druckgussfelgen („sheet metal“ u say) with 5 1/2 J x 15 size was option M485.
See M485 below


As for M435, its right inbetween a list of available lights, M434 is yellow fog, reserved for France only.



Hugh, i beleive Cibies were never a factory option, not on standard cars.
Dealer installed but not factory option, Porsche offered its own system with „through the grill“ or below bumper lights. Rally/Race/Sport/RS cars however for shure had them as an option.

[fenixv8]

This is really cool. Thank you for posting this Arne

[ttdi75]

Paper from Porsche in my letter box

[beh911]

Paper from Porsche in my letter box

So they even make errors on French CoAs it appears.
I'm sticking with French market lighting, my original suggestion

[davep]

Druckgussfelgen („sheet metal“ u say) with 5 1/2 J x 15 size was option M485.

The M485 option listed here is for the 914 only, and not available on 914s with the Sport option. You have to watch the columns on the option sheets for availability on each model, and also watch for the exclusions. Yet we could have the same option # for different models and mean different things. Example M474 is for Bilstein shocks; the shocks are completely different part #'s for 914 and 911, and completely incompatible. Notice the different prices per model; the 914 used the same calipers & rotors; the 911T &E needed an upgrade to the S calipers; the 911S must had had either Koni or Bilstein front struts to mount the S calipers, so basically a change to rear shocks.

I find it difficult to believe that M435 is for 5.5x15 steel rims with tires 165H70. Wasn't 6" steel rims standard equipment? Why go smaller? Also 165 in H70? Usually 165 in 80 aspect ratio and 185 in 70 aspect ratio. Having a rim & tire option placed in that range of option #'s is a bit strange. It really is a strange and obscure option for sure. I have these options in my 914/6 file and surely these would be applicable:
M485 pressure cast alloy wheels 5.5J15 Mahle magnesium rim
M975 light alloy wheels 5.5J14 Fuchs with 185HR14 tires
M976 chrome wheels 5.5x15
If the French distributor that prepared the COA wants us to really believe M435 is a 5.5x15 wheel option, they would have to provide me with an option sheet like those pictured.