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    Reverting a race car

    This link appeared in a thread on something else under discussion.
    http://www.gunnarracing.com/project/...art-1108-1.htm
    I hadn't read it before.

    Interesting project/goal to revert a storied race car to an earlier more successful incarnation of the RSR chassis.

    I can admire the workmanship and ambitious aim, but since so much is now new and / or completely redone how authentic is it to that earlier RSR incarnation? Also how much of the factory work done back in the day to upgrade it to the later Turbo spec got permanently lost in the process too?

    To be clear in this post I'm not questioning the chassis #, provenance etc - no intent to challenge that important stuff here. Just commenting generally on what had apparently long survived from the in-period factory Turbo upgrade that might have got erased in this fairly recent extensive project. I get it that those old upgrades were themselves permanent major change to that RSR chassis-- but that originality and authenticity was lost long ago. However it seems at start of this project it still for the most-part had many of the decades old authentic factory Turbo upgrades intended to keep the race car competitive in line with the development direction at the time?

    Having worked in professional motorsport I understand race car chassis change! However when I'd finished reading through this particular project on balance it just seemed a pity if much of that "snapshot" from mid 70s factory development of a racing RSR into the racing Turbo evolution got erased; replaced by so much that is essentially new.

    I suppose this is just a variation of the perennial: preserve vs full restore debate. Owners prerogative I guess.

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    I agree Steve,,,,I wouldn't have touched it !
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    'Preserve vs Restore' vs . . .

    . . . 'Whatever'

    Won't be the first time someone went to some pains to bring back some otherwise long-gone car . . .
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...423#post898423

    . . . although, IMO? . . .

    . . . this turbo car 's WAY more significant


    Regardless, this current custodian Mr Hayes feels that the earlier iteration 's the more desirable, and? . . .

    . . . his car + his money = his choice


    Curious what the calculation was, here. 'Cause, the funny thing is --- all the stuff that Gunnar Racing 'll be undoing is 'faktory' . . .

    . . . while anything that gets 'preverted'? . . .



    . . . isn't

    Ref: 9113600576 R5


    Surprised that this vendor 's involved with this, too. Hope they document everything that they do . . . + save anything that they cut off



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    Re-reverting? . . .

    '. . . Metal Panel Adhesive . . . used instead of welding in most modern cars including the GT3-R. We will use this to attach the quarter panels onto the unibody. This will allow us to keep the car much more original if a future owner should choose to change the car back to the Turbo form . . .'


    Ugh



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    'Martini RSR Conversion
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    I loved seeing all the Factory short cuts and horrible welds they uncovered. I love it when people revere the Werks as being on a higher plane, except they were just trying to win races and get done like everybody else. Like when the guy asked the Werks guy if there was a template for drilling the holes in the Carrera Speedster and the Factory guy replied, "Vat, Vat, we drill, we drill, we drill, until we beat Ferrari!"
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    Thanks for bringing this old "restoration" back in mind. Especially the front chassis strengthen was done on my car similar, but I have never seen it on other cars.....

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    I will never forget the sloppy factory welds on the rear shock tower braces on my friend's factory RSR...
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    I will never forget the sloppy factory welds on the rear shock tower braces on my friend's factory RSR...
    We had a funny one at the shop one day. Big John was welding on a 356 and I was telling him he skipped a step on some work, that we should go the extra mile and not take the short cut. The next week I was working on my aluminum 550 and looking at the original inner fenders, and wouldn't you know it, there was Big John's same short cut, done by the Factory, on what is now a multi-million dollar car!

    Seen the same kind of sloppy work on a 59 Carrera decklid I had once, I thought it was some fabbed up piece some dude made, until someone pointed out it was for a Carrera.

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