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    Has anyone gone thru the new C of A process with a car like ours?

    My plan to obtain a C of A from Porsche for my car is on hold. I have a 73 911T that came out of an extensive recommissioning last summer. I adore it, but it had been a stock class PCA racer for decades. It now has the Webers, headers, S brakes, bigger torsion bars, Konis, and alignment it raced with, as well as a Carrera type interior to replace the scabby, typical non-existent interior it had on the track. Thanks to Hugh and the usual subjects on the forum, it seems very likely it has its original engine and gearbox. I was hoping to confirm this and I was curious to find out what other options it arrived in the showroom with. Not a huge deal, but I was enjoying trying to establish the car's history and it seems this info is helpful for valuing the car.

    The new procedure evidently requires a extensive inspection of the car by a Porsche rep to determine if its originality has been compromised (my wording) and I'm guessing it would come to a screeching halt when he saw the stuff I mentioned above. I know Porsche is probably doing this to provide some legal cover in cases where our now expensive cars are not as they are described. But I'm wondering if anyone has done the new process with a car similar to this?

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    I just discussed it with HughH and it seems this all-new CoA procedure is most likely due to the unveiling of a multi-million (+100m according to press-+7m alone in Switzerland) criminal scheme in Germany, were apparently fake VIN on Porsche (racing) cars were mounted, no further details given. According to German press, 18 sites, companies and private parties were raided, at least 2 people arrested and held on w/o bail.
    A close and reliable source I have reported that at least one person at the German TÜV (German DOT) did cooperate and made those cars road legal, for those who can also driven on public roads (No confirmation)
    Possible also some accused have/had (Ex-) Porsche Factory ties, for those cars with a racing history. (No confirmation). German Press reports do hint on this possibility.
    Owners affected by this criminal case are in Europe, Japan, USA, according to German press.

    I guess Porsche got cold feets for ALL CoA giving to historic Porsche cars.
    HugH suggested this connection to me today and its highly possible...
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    "Engine and transmission serial numbers are no longer included in the Porsche Production Specifications documentation."

    Disappointing...not really sure what the value of the document is any more, other than noting color and accessories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 72targa View Post
    "Engine and transmission serial numbers are no longer included in the Porsche Production Specifications documentation."

    Disappointing...not really sure what the value of the document is any more, other than noting color and accessories.
    I had ordered a PPS just as this change was rolling out. I got an email telling me that engine number would not be included or confirmed, and they asked if I wanted to continue or cancel the order. At that time, I cancelled. My thinking was that without the engine number confirmation, the document was mostly worthless.

    I'm having a few second thoughts on this now. It would be nice to confirm that the option list that I was told by the seller was correct and complete, and since I have the original Service and Warranty booklet with the engine number noted, I've got some evidence of the number match there. Nothing for transmission, but since the number is ground off of mine there would be no way to confirm that in any case.

    I have a friend with a '73.5 T targa. Very late production (6/73). She is in much the same boat as I am, having the Warranty booklet for engine number records, but knows less of the options than I do. We're considering ordering the PPS just for the option list.

    All that said, it is disappointing not to be able to get the engine number on the PPS now. Especially for those of us who don't have other engine documentation and/or lack easy access to a Porsche Classic certified dealer for the inspection.
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    What i got as info on European CoA, you now need to bring physicially the car for inspection in a Porsche Classic Center. The process costs 499 Euro (Germany), six pages and 8 photos.
    They do confirm if its matching (if your car you deliver is) but, if its not matching, they wont give u anymore the numbers for that configuration.
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    Cannot wait to see one of these PPS reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    Cannot wait to see one of these PPS reports.
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    Sounds like most folks on the forum, especially you guys with extensive knowledge, pretty much agree that process may be more trouble than its worth, especially at 500 Euros or similar.

    Karim, I’m curious if the lack of original motor and gearbox stops the inspection process immediately or if they continue and you at least get a listing of your original options.

    As always thanks for everyone’s input.
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    Just a guess, but I suspect the technician performing the inspection does not have immediate access to the original engine number. So when he/she is doing the inspection, the number is simply noted on a form which is sent on to Porsche AG or PCNA for verification and report creation.

    So if the engine doesn't match, you have a $500 (or 500€) version of the PPS with pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V1 Rotate View Post
    Sounds like most folks on the forum, especially you guys with extensive knowledge, pretty much agree that process may be more trouble than its worth, especially at 500 Euros or similar.

    Karim, I’m curious if the lack of original motor and gearbox stops the inspection process immediately or if they continue and you at least get a listing of your original options.

    As always thanks for everyone’s input.
    Bill S
    You pay and will get equipment infos etc. But if non matching they say this is non matching and not more anymore. You now need to let physically inspect the car, photo doesn’t help anymore.
    Note date of press release: August 12, 2019.
    Neu > New.

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