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Thread: A Proposal to Establish Member Control of the ESR

  1. #231
    I’ve been reading this blather now for what? Two weeks?

    Freedom of speech...blah, blah, blah
    Transparency.....blah, blah, blah
    Conflict of interest....blah, blah, blah
    Bullying.....blah, blah, blah
    IRS tax exempt status...blah, blah, blah

    As a 48 year member of PCA serving as an officer in three regions, as a 45 year member of SCCA, as a 25 year member of 356 Registry, and as a 19 year member of R Gruppe I’ve seen and heard all this before.

    This forum, and that’s what it really is, was founded by a small group of long hood enthusiasts for the sole purpose of sharing information, experience, parts, and even cars. All for the fun of it....repeat...FUN. Politics, rudeness, and dishonest dealing not welcome.

    Suddenly one morning a naive, idealistic near do well wakes up and decides to wave the freedom of speech flag, question a volunteer Board member’s implied conflict of interest, challenge the volunteer Board’s “transparency,” imply that the Board has placed the Registry in danger of sanctions from the IRS, and waved the “democracy” flag calling for open elections of Board members when the Registry’s by laws clearly do not provide for such.

    For the price of a decent meal ( Ray stole that from my email yesterday.) I receive a very nice quarterly magazine, a decal with each renewal, and the participation on a great forum about the cars I love. I’m happy that certain rude and bullying posters have been shut down. I don’t care if the Board slips up with an IRS filing ( they have much bigger fish to fry), and I don’t want a vote or the Registry spending the time or money of herding spiders to no avail in an “election” in which maybe 20% of the subscribers ( not members) will participate!

    It ain’t broke, and those of you who feel the burning need for a cause...go free the glutens!
    Mark Smedley
    '59 VW Typ I
    '69 911T 2.7
    '86 930
    '04 GT3
    '16 Boxster GTS
    '08 MBZ AMG CLK 63 Black Series

  2. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by smedley View Post

    For the price of a decent meal ( Ray stole that from my email yesterday.)
    YES I DID STEAL THAT LINE...I resemble that remark. Obviously Mark is one of the many I have been communicating with who are not on board with this thing going on. After all these years, a guy wakes up and has a Jerry Maguire moment and wants everything to change his way. But he is open to communication.Other things need to be saved, S Registry is not one of them.
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    '70 911 S Coupe 2.9 w/MFI Twin Plug "Flairs n Chairs"
    '72 911 S Targa 2.4 w/MFI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc View Post
    This is also a byproduct of the 356 Registry problems. A bunch of people quit the club and one guy started abcgt.com and a bunch of people go there now. So it's a more fractured community, with many wanting to re-join but pride keeps them from doing it. Had the Registry not stonewalled some of what they did, the people who were un-happy probably couldn't have gained as much traction. Here we have an opportunity for the current board to accept some changes and an evolution of the club. Remember, the clubs, just like our cars will probably out-live all of us, we have a duty to be good custodians of not just the cars, but the community in general. So I do not advocate people going to start another place, stay here, and like Tim Gunn says, "Make It Work!"

    ---Adam
    +1 Full agreement here. This issue is not that hard to fix, new ideas can't hurt and being IRS compliant is a must. Why wouldn't the current board embrace new ideas, more volunteers and delegate duties. They could be looked at as "managing directors"!
    Mike Fitton # 2071
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    1995 911 Carrera Polar Silver

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bummler View Post
    You'd be surprised how many of us agree with you....
    Quote Originally Posted by flipper View Post
    LiveFromNY,

    I get it. You want a better site. You are smarter, have more funds and probably have the skill set to build a better site in a week. Why don’t you go ahead and do that. Do it the American way and compete. If the community prefers your site, membership will go down, and the board of directors will learn and hopefully listen.

    But please do not tear this site apart now. Majority on the site enjoy it for what it is... a forum to talk about cars. Nothing more.
    Quote Originally Posted by RC70SCoupe View Post
    I joined this site in 2002. For the price of a good dinner, you get a quarterly magazine and a Forum to gain knowledge, sell or buy trinkets or a car.
    Its all I wanted then, it's all I want now. I was never promised a vote or anything else and had it taken away. I never thought the S Registry had to have the Nordstrom policy.

    If the IRS has a problem with the Registry, MH and CM will answer for it. There is no need to help them save themselves. They'll answer for it.

    I have spoken with many members who signed up before me and after me. ALL feel the same. Confidence in CM and MH.
    Quote Originally Posted by RC70SCoupe View Post
    Flipper, I agree...Some would say Capitalism at its Best....don't like it, think you can do Better, start another site, be the competition. You already have Rules and Regs and By-Laws written. Volunteers are waiting to help. You'll have Transparency and all that stuff.

    S Registry membership/activity may go down, you will be proven right. My gut feeling, no one will know who left and who arrived as a result.
    Quote Originally Posted by Captpeanut View Post
    Been a member since 2005 and have only had good experiences with C & M and believe fundamentally they have only good intentions. I understand the legal issues and the need for being in compliance but I don’t personally care if I have a vote as a member. This site and all those involved, whether members or not, have been very helpful to me and has been an invaluable resource. I agree with all the comments about slowing this process down and letting everyone take a few deep breadths.

    Peace,

    Craig "Doc" Goodman
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    ‘72 911 S Coupe
    Quote Originally Posted by smedley View Post
    I’ve been reading this blather now for what? Two weeks?

    Freedom of speech...blah, blah, blah
    Transparency.....blah, blah, blah
    Conflict of interest....blah, blah, blah
    Bullying.....blah, blah, blah
    IRS tax exempt status...blah, blah, blah

    As a 48 year member of PCA serving as an officer in three regions, as a 45 year member of SCCA, as a 25 year member of 356 Registry, and as a 19 year member of R Gruppe I’ve seen and heard all this before.

    This forum, and that’s what it really is, was founded by a small group of long hood enthusiasts for the sole purpose of sharing information, experience, parts, and even cars. All for the fun of it....repeat...FUN. Politics, rudeness, and dishonest dealing not welcome.

    Suddenly one morning a naive, idealistic near do well wakes up and decides to wave the freedom of speech flag, question a volunteer Board member’s implied conflict of interest, challenge the volunteer Board’s “transparency,” imply that the Board has placed the Registry in danger of sanctions from the IRS, and waved the “democracy” flag calling for open elections of Board members when the Registry’s by laws clearly do not provide for such.

    For the price of a decent meal ( Ray stole that from my email yesterday.) I receive a very nice quarterly magazine, a decal with each renewal, and the participation on a great forum about the cars I love. I’m happy that certain rude and bullying posters have been shut down. I don’t care if the Board slips up with an IRS filing ( they have much bigger fish to fry), and I don’t want a vote or the Registry spending the time or money of herding spiders to no avail in an “election” in which maybe 20% of the subscribers ( not members) will participate!

    It ain’t broke, and those of you who feel the burning need for a cause...go free the glutens!
    Quote Originally Posted by RC70SCoupe View Post
    YES I DID STEAL THAT LINE...I resemble that remark. Obviously Mark is one of the many I have been communicating with who are not on board with this thing going on. After all these years, a guy wakes up and has a Jerry Maguire moment and wants everything to change his way. But he is open to communication.Other things need to be saved, S Registry is not one of them.
    Spot on, guys.
    67 911 , 69 911S, 68 Blood Orange 912, 85 Carrera...and-gasp! a bunch of Corvettes, Musclecars and Italian crap(330GTC,GTA/M,308GTB)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbstudios View Post
    Spot on, guys.
    The silent majority is becoming not so silent.

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    Agree. The vocal minority always tends to outshout the majority opinion. At the end of the day, I do hope that the proposal effort does energize the base or management to make the club or registry or forum (take your pick) better and stronger than it is today. Make a good thing better. It really feels like Chuck is rowing the boat by himself - my opinion. So, perhaps some measured evolvement is healthy, natural and welcomed.
    -Jim

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    '02 RS4
    '12 997.2 Turbo Manual
    '13 A7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Breazeale View Post
    The silent majority is becoming not so silent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Breazeale View Post
    The silent majority is becoming not so silent.
    + 1 to Jim B.
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    1974 911 red targa 71K original miles

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC70SCoupe View Post
    I joined this site in 2002. For the price of a good dinner, you get a quarterly magazine and a Forum to gain knowledge, sell or buy trinkets or a car.
    Its all I wanted then, it's all I want now. I was never promised a vote or anything else and had it taken away. I never thought the S Registry had to have the Nordstrom policy.

    If the IRS has a problem with the Registry, MH and CM will answer for it. There is no need to help them save themselves. They'll answer for it.

    I have spoken with many members who signed up before me and after me. ALL feel the same. Confidence in CM and MH.
    +1 Well said Ray.
    Only dead fish go with the flow.

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    Jorge, please reconsider your early retirement from the ESR. Even though Chuck is doing a great job (selflessly I might add) I have a hunch you could really help him out

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