COA .. is it true no more numbers for motor and transmission??!

[wintersurf]

I have a 1969 911T highly original low miles.
I am fairly confident that the engine and trans are number matching. I do not have a COA or a Kardex. Shoulda done it years ago but, DUH!

And, now I hear the COA no longer comes with the eng / trans numbers.
I have heard that if I PROVIDE the number of eng / trans then if CORRECT the coa certificate will print those number on the certificate.

True / False ?

I want to know for sure if this is a numbers matching car.
What is the best way to get this info now?

Thanks for your input.
Doug

[patrick911]

Hi Doug,

I requested mine long before this change was done, but yes, the way you describe it is how i understood it works. You provide all the data, and only if correct they'll confirm it.
Must have been too many people misusing the information provided. Understandable, but bad in case people like you would hear it isn't correct; you have 0 chance of ever reuniting the chassis with its engine or gearbox....
Hope it'll come back correct, chances are, if the engine numbers is of the expected type and in the same range as your chassis number, you'll be fine.
good luck!

[Arne]

That used to be how it worked, but as of early this year the process changed again, and they no longer give engine or drivetrain numbers at all on the new PPS/CoA. To verify numbers now you have to have a $500 physical inspection at a Porsche Classic authorized dealer.

Longer explanation here: http://early911.pca.org/showthread.php?t=45

[HughH]

OR.... given it is a 69 you could try and get the kardex which is much superior as documentation from someone like davep on this board

[Unobtanium-inc]

That used to be how it worked, but as of early this year the process changed again, and they no longer give engine or drivetrain numbers at all on the new PPS/CoA. To verify numbers now you have to have a $500 physical inspection at a Porsche Classic authorized dealer.

Longer explanation here: http://early911.pca.org/showthread.php?t=45

I was joking with my local dealer about this, I told him to start seeing me show up wanting a $500 inspection on stuff like this, said make sure all your guys are up on Tetnus shots!

---Adam

[patrick911]

(...) but as of early this year the process changed again, and they no longer give engine or drivetrain numbers at all on the new PPS/CoA. To verify numbers now you have to have a $500 physical inspection at a Porsche Classic authorized dealer.

wow, it's a money grabbing exercise. Hell, how am i surprised...

Apologies Doug - i was obviously giving you outdated info.
Thanks Arne for rectifying.

[Unobtanium-inc]

wow, it's a money grabbing exercise. Hell, how am i surprised...

Apologies Doug - i was obviously giving you outdated info.
Thanks Arne for rectifying.

More than you think. All the Classic Centers will provide service and support to older Porsches, so after they do your $500 inspection, they can take care of anything they find. It's like a cheap oil change, it gets you in the door.

---Adam

[72targa]

Confirming details here...

https://www.pca.org/resource/porsche...thenticity-coa

[wintersurf]

OR.... given it is a 69 you could try and get the kardex which is much superior as documentation from someone like davep on this board

Thanks for all the quick input from Patrick , Arne , Adam and Hugh.

Hugh thanks for the Kardex recommendation I will contact DaveP.
Thanks.
Doug

[StephenAcworth]

Adam
I was at the launch of the Canadian Porsche classic event a couple of weeks ago. Twelve dealers had spent a year restoring a ‘classic’. Whilst the outcomes were not bad, they were no where near the level of good that so many of our wonderful independent Porsche shops can achieve. Things like incorrect plating. Superseded parts. Etc.,
What scares me is that the CEO of Porsche Canada was heralding this work as “craftsmanship” and “art”; it is obvious this will, over time, become the accepted norm of what “original” and “quality” is.
As an example, one of the lead judges was from a non-Porsche restoration shop that recently ‘restored’ a ‘68 911 Sportomatic and the level of attention to detail was not good. For instance, the engine mount hardware, rather than being replated, was painted... with the paint chipping off when they were attached to the car...



This is money-making on Porsche’s behalf, but they don’t have the expertise or the attention to detail required.
Maybe it is different in Europe or the US, but I was really saddened to see this.
And the new process is just a way to get us to comply...
Sorry for the rant...
Stephen

More than you think. All the Classic Centers will provide service and support to older Porsches, so after they do your $500 inspection, they can take care of anything they find. It's like a cheap oil change, it gets you in the door.

---Adam