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Thread: COA .. is it true no more numbers for motor and transmission??!

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    Porsche Classic USA - at the Atlanta Classic center they have approximately 2 kids that will handle ALL your needs . As I spoke with the senior restoration tech, who was about 32yrs old, he told me they fully restore approximately 2 cars per year. I asked if they did paint in house and he looked overwhelmed, "we outsource paint to a local bodyshop". What about major rust repair? "Well we might have to differ to Germany for that because that is a real special skill". Want to play a game of pick apart the car - this red car will keep you busy. Apparelty the Solex carburetors are not reliable so they prefered webers as I was told. They were very proud of it, I'm not knocking anyone for trying but putting the Porsche official on these tyoes of cars is a disservice to nice cars that earned it.

    I did a pre purchase inspection at Porsche Classic San Diego on a 71S, the couldn't start the car as promised to put on a lift as promised, no one could figure out how to jump it, they told me all these old Porsches do this. I sat back and laughed quietly to myself. The arrogance conveyed toward me about how great the place was was impressive but they could not figure one thing out or answer one question on the long hood cars for sale in the showroom.

    It's all a show and a way to increase market share. Any expert that would validate your vin and engine is probably trained through a book. They can never get the same quality as a specialist, for one thing they do not have a supply of old used and NOS parts. They car 100% committed to new production what they can order in a system, its the corporate way of life. Corporate deals is where they get their parts, ie best price and most reliable suppliers, not through most authentic. Any massive corporation will have immense trouble training new staff to handle this ultra specialist work, its a brand new program where no experienced people are involved, what are they going to use Porsche service manuals for training? Ha ha.

    Porsche - They sure do new cars well, act is totally together there, can't knock them for that.
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    Could be one of the most depressing threads I've read in a while. Not sure why they can't get folks with passion and experience in these shops.

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    It was sad to hear, but I'm not surprised.

    It is easier and much better to order a copy of kardex here on the forum. For cars after 69 you cannot get a copy. However, a transcript.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peanut View Post
    Could be one of the most depressing threads I've read in a while. Not sure why they can't get folks with passion and experience in these shops.

    Scott
    Because if you have passion and experience, it's much nicer to work for a specialist shop, or start your own shop.
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    Reason as discussed is simple, people used the „matching numbers“ info provided by the CoA to fake cars.
    Not just RS, S/T and al., but 911S, 911T or 911normale. Happened in Europe and reason why they stopped giving those infos out by a letter.
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    Being a 69 get the Kardex. I have both COA and Kardex for my 69 and the Kardex gives you more information and has a much better chance of being correct anyway.

    On another note does anyone else get annoyed by restored/repainted cars such as the red one posted above where they (poorly) mask the vin plates (or stickers)? Take them off and do it the right way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott72 View Post
    Being a 69 get the Kardex. I have both COA and Kardex for my 69 and the Kardex gives you more information and has a much better chance of being correct anyway.

    On another note does anyone else get annoyed by restored/repainted cars such as the red one posted above where they (poorly) mask the vin plates (or stickers)? Take them off and do it the right way.
    A sure sign of a corner cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick911 View Post
    Hi Doug,
    You provide all the data, and only if correct they'll confirm it.
    A fellow I knew brought quite a few RS's to the states in the early 80's stated that he could call the factory and give them the "dash number" (crayon on top) to determine if he was dealing with a re-body. All they would tell him is "yes" or "no". He caught one in France and it's not the only one out here. I never got that car's numbers but it cast a dark cloud on these cars for me.
    Valuable things get faked. Pintos, Vegas and Ramblers not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VintageExcellen View Post
    Porsche Classic USA -


    They can never get the same quality as a specialist, for one thing they do not have a supply of old used and NOS parts. They car 100% committed to new production what they can order in a system, its the corporate way of life. Corporate deals is where they get their parts, ie best price and most reliable suppliers, not through most authentic.

    Porsche - They sure do new cars well, act is totally together there, can't knock them for that.
    That's not always the case, this box contained NOS parts that PCNA sourced from us. Apparently they called around for a few days looking for an NOS 356 Roadster windshield upright, after the 5th guy told them to call us they did, and we had the part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc View Post
    That's not always the case, this box contained NOS parts that PCNA sourced from us. Apparently they called around for a few days looking for an NOS 356 Roadster windshield upright, after the 5th guy told them to call us they did, and we had the part.

    ---Adam
    Wow Adam you clearly know more than all of us put together and by this post, what an amazing post, it was a “perfect post”, such a great guy, and as you previously stated in a recent thread you have done more for this community than all of us combined. I wouldn’t know anything without your VAST knowledgeable posts. You asked for it buddy.

    And yes that is one part out of 50,000 parts, they probably called Friezinger whom they sold all their stock of NOS to years before.

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