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Thread: 904-025, borneo green, S.M.A.R.T 1964

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by haul View Post
    Richard,

    the truth is in the eye of the one watching.....

    025 or 025-1....
    both raced, 025 flipped over and went undercover.
    25-1 went back to UK, raced and went trough all the hands.

    I do wait what you will report from your friend....
    Haul

    Do you have by any chance more information about 088 today? How far back an "own" history? Engine and transmission number? Does it show up in race history under its own (088) number

    BTW I like and appreciate your in-depth research

    Richard
    searching for engine (case) 903742

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    Would also be interesting to find out more about the car that was allegedly withdrawn from auction in London in 1999. I am not aware of any more details

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    Der Spiegel, 11.03.1964 - https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-46163442.html

    "Stirling Moss, 34, British ex-racing driver, who no longer participates in car racing since a serious accident on Easter Monday 1962, but recently maintains a "Stirling Moss Car Racing Team" (short: Smart), may not send a car to this year's 24-hour race in Le Mans, France. The two-liter Porsche GT S 904 registered for Le Mans was removed from the starting lists because Moss had failed to give the drivers' names. Race director Moss suspected an act of revenge: The four-time vice-world champion had described in his book "Le Mans 1959" the French sporting event as a "lousy race"."
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    From Andre Loubser, mentioned in the first post

    "Stirling had endorsed the Stirling Moss Paint-a-Car System, founded by a Canadian and his American partner.
    The company sold respray and light body repair centres throughout the UK on a franchise basis."

    quite old reprint the March 65 issue of the "Good Motoring" journal, featuring Sir Stirling Moss
    "How to get a Good Respray without Paying the Earth"
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    The restored photo color is a different green than his GTO is. Could be the photo.

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    to update with some new "old" finds and to bring it up...

    excerpt from page 1:
    " The first start for the 904-025 had been at 30.03.1964, starting number 42, at the Goodwood International Motor Racing, Lavant Cup on easter Monday, for the “Guards Sportscar Championship” theater. The organizer had been the British Automobile Racing Club. The race started at 17:10 for 50 miles. 27 cars had entered the race, the practising session attended 20 cars. From the starting grid of 20 cars, 18 cars did finished and 17 cars had been classified. The driver had been Sir John Whitmore, finishing 6th overall and 3rd in class."

    the 904 made 20 laps in 31:23.00. Winner had been John Coundley in a Lotus 19 Climax, finishing 21 laps in 31:05.600, covered a distance of 81.111 kms with an average of 156.525 km/h
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    just for rethinking:

    On the above pictures #36 the livery and the race number decal is very well visible. And this race number decal is exactly in the same position as shown in the pictures of the rolled over car #7. Front bonnet, middle position, towards front, side decal starting at the A pillar.

    If you compare now these decals with the later ones from Silverstone, Nurburgring and the Canadian race they are clearly different.


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    Good detective work Haul - I think your conclusion is correct! Best wishes, Robert

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    @one-two
    Robert

    thank you....your questions made me have a look @all the documents again with now usable and correct informations...


    btw----- here is perfect sound file for 904-025-1, now is hands of an austrian owner family, test drive in Spa 2015

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6_QT6Y1NAY

    I will have a comprehensive write up uploaded, as soon as possibilities of "thread technics" are clarified....


    enjoy the sound


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    @all

    as announced in the previous thread entry, I did a complete re-write of the "904-025 borneo green", as some more infos showed up and I could get in contact with quite a lot of previous owner. also Robert Barrie puzzled me with some questions, and with the future release of the 1:18 CMC model of the 904, also the borneo green, I think there is a need of clearifying things.

    I have some things still in the pipeline, but the rough draft is in the right direction....readable now
    from the beginning #1 & #2 of this thread


    enjoy and best regards from bavaria


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