911 2.7 S 1972 210HP - from the P Museum

[Xavier PJB]

Greetings,

I spent few hours at the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart, and found that beauty. Wanted to share with the community that stunning 2.7 S 1972 with 210HP!
stunning color and love the "moumoute" style seats

[Xavier PJB]

Not much information from the information panel.

[letsrollbabe]

Cookie cutters on a 2.7 S?....hard to understand why.

[savagejayj]

Are they stating that this is a original equipped car a 1972 911S with a 2.7 engine, wish you had taken a picture of the other side to see the oil filler door. Cookie cutters didn't come out until 1973. I also notice that the information panel is first in German and then under history it's in English but it's not a translation because on the German side I see the year 1973 mentioned but it's not mentioned on the English side.

[sithot]

Cookie cutters on a 2.7 S?....hard to understand why.

German fashionistas? The latest (at the time) and different after 5 years of Fuchs?

[911MRP]

Coincidentally was looking the ATS cookie cutter up for a friend in my reference mayerial.. This image is from the Service-information model year 73 factory document. Not particularly new news but happened to have the booklet with image / comments about E and optional T to hand. This version of Service-information document pictured was for ROW; German version also has a similar image.



That factory document doesn't say weight of 6 x15 inch version on 73 E but from my coincidental digging into ATS for my friend 73 E I read elsewhere that weight was different: 6.9Kg (ATS cookie cutter) vs. 6.0Kg (Fuchs) for 7Jx15". Don't know if that is accurate/true because that weight comparison tidbit was posted on www in some forum by someone who'd weighed them therefore should be treated with caution not being from a Porsche or OEM supplier factory document. The forged Vs die-cast method etc likley results in different weight but almost 1 kg (or almost 2lb) delta for equivalent 7x15 sized wheel? .. (7 inches were later than 73 obviously). Incidentally the factory 72/3 tech spec booklet also to hand lists the different types for 72/3 but no weights given.

With the 911744 project's homologation certification and racing goal I doubt they were ever going to seriously go down a die-cast route for the car that became the Carrera RS once that decision was made especially as any extra on wheel is unsprung. The use on E and option on a T but not offered 2.4 S further underlines it was not a wheel intended for the more sporting model.

Steve

[HughH]

I am aware of a couple of 1972 2.7S's which were going to be the new top of range model for 1973 but were sidelined with the decision to introduce the RS
However i have never seen any reference to a green one. On the wheels, this car along with the other 1972 2.7's were obviously versuch or test / pre-production cars so it is not surprising to see it equipped with an upcoming part like the wheels for testing purposes.

I have seen references that there were three only 1972 2.7S's

The tangerine one pictured below was Michael Piech's car 911 230 1514 which was a narrow body car with 1972 oil door, no rear spoiler built in 1972 with an RS engine type but a 1972 transmission. Note also the black trim and door handles that did not come in until after the longhoods with the exception of the horn grills and light surrounds and the painted rims around headlights that did not appear until much later.




The signal yellow car below has been seen on this board a lot. It has a RS vin number 911 360 0012 but is also on a 1972 shell and is often referred to as a 2.7S despite its RS vin number. I am not sure if that is included in the list of "3 1972 2.7S's" or not. I am presuming it is as the order code for it is recorded as 911/544 with the 5 signifying 911S coupe and the next 4 signifying a 2.7 (rather than the production 911S which has a 3 for 2.4S) and the final 4 for 5 speed gearbox. Note it had the traditional chrome trim but flared rear quarter panels. It also appeared to have chrome horn grills which were "retouched" to make them appear black when it was used in the advertising material for the 1973 model year range.


I think that this green car may be the third 2.7S. It would be great if someone who was visiting the museum, or could otherwise find out, could confirm what its vin number was. I have a record of a probable 1972 2.7S that was used as a versuch car and had a 1973 MY RS spec engine in it but i don't know what color it was. That car's vin was 911 230 1632 - not far away from the Piech car vin.

[911MRP]

...also to hand a photo copy of some of that advertising material referred to by Hugh . To hand because I plan to give this photocopy to friend tomorrow for their information. My original of this is document is elsewhere, but Karim once posted same image presumably of an original document mayve the NA market one somewhere here. This one is certainly the British ROW version
Different English language versions exist for NA markets although they look superficially similar there are differences in wording and spelling reflecting market : litre Vs liter etc. Also carburettor T make this very evidently English so called ROW. Would the 2.7S have gone to NA if plans hadn't changed -- pretty sure the American version of brochure uses the same photo of this lineup? If so would it have been the weedier version engine as in 74 Carrera 2.7 available in USA ?

Cookie cutters shown on one in lineup but not on 2.7 in this retouched shot showing black grille even though pic known to be taken during calendar 72 obviously before model 73 lineup was even finalized let alone in actual production. Picture on front ( not shown ) has a car with cookie cutters but not 2.7 either.

[StephenAcworth]

Some really great info on this thread! Thanks guys!

[rower]

Where are the other two now?