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    Questions about 380mm steering wheels

    What would one look for in identifying a desirable 380mm steering wheel to restore. Were they all basically the same? Was there ever one with a 911 part # or did the factory simply use the 914 part number wheels on the RS's? Was the 380mm only on 914/6 and 911? Finally, what is a good restoration candidate worth?
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    They used several different wheels - part numbers all begin with 914 347 .

    There were 3 different versions of the 380mm steering wheel as fitted to the 914/4 & 914/6 (hard plastic/leather/imitation leather rim) with 7 different part numbers.

    The splines are the same but there are a number of subtle differences between the 400mm & 380mm wheels & modifications are necessary (to most of them) in order to fit the smaller wheel to a 911.
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    Hi Dave,

    If you go to guys selling 914/4/6 parts you can find 914/6 wheels which is the way to go. You don't have to mess with the 914 trim and VW turn cancel ring. It'll bolt right on like the 400mm although the dish of the 914/6 wheel is shallower and brings your hands closer to the dash. The part number for a 70-72 914/6 wheel is 914.347.806.10 or 914.347.805.11. Both of those are leather wheels with the soft rubber base. 914/4 wheels will be in the 914.347.090 series with the last two digits different for leather, hard rubber.

    If you find a 911 guy selling one he will want $200 to $300 in restorable especially if it's the 805.11 with a 72 date code. "Gotta be a RS wheel right?" Me, I found a guy through a 914 parts board in Canada who sold me a 70 date code 914.347.806.10 for $70 when he knew it was a 914/6 wheel and all it really needs is restitched. I'm making a 914/6 GT wheel for my car.


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    This wheel was on my 73S when I got it, it's 380mm across but
    I'm not sure what it is. I'll include a photo of the center with
    stamping marks. Any ideas? Stock wheel perhaps?
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    Cant read the #s Bruce. What does the part # say?

    And thanks to everyone else for thier help.
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    Dave, best I can tell it reads

    73 9 914 347 809 00

    The stamps a light so it's a bit hard to make out.
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    Bruce, yours could have been on a RS with the 73 date code or just a leather 914 wheel that was modified for the 911 turn cancel ring. Post 73 also came out with a simulated leather rubber rim 380mm wheel for the 914. Some guys like to wrap these with leather for the GT grip cause the rim diameter was larger to start out with to simulate the leather wrapped wheel. I seem to remember that part number as 914.347.809.11

    It's a nice looking wheel. I like the improved vision with the 380mm which has a lot to do with the shallower dish. I'd keep it or sell it to Dave. Yeah..that's the ticket.

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    I agree with you George. My point was that a 911 guy selling the same wheel will use the 72 date code to his advantage to drive a price up on a wheel that is more common than eluded to. Now if you can prove it came off an RS or has the factory double leather wrap or the plastic horn ring then yeah, I see the premium. Not a wheel needing a resto that was on a 914/6 for $300. You know what I'd like to see? A listing of steering wheel part numbers/date codes off the RS's by their owners. It would be an interesting insight to the Porsche production.

    I'll bet that no one has seen a RS steering wheel stamped with the RS part number for it. If they have, Post a Picture!!! I'd love to see it. The assembly drawing for it if they even had one other that a manufacturing order would show a list of acceptable parts to start the conversion.

    I thought the 914 spline hubs were drilled differently than the 911 for the VW spacer trim and cancel ring.
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    Michael - you're correct - the std 914 needs to have the holes for the 911 turnsignal cancelling ring drilled & countersunk in the rear of the alloy hub after removing the plastic 'spacer' & VW cancelling ring.

    Bruce's wheel pictured above (914 347 809 00) is an 914 imitation leather wheel.

    I have had around 30-40 of the various 914/ & 914/6 wheels over the past couple of years & kept details of their part numbers, wheel covering & date codes.

    I have noticed a number of differences between the 380mm wheels that I have seen fitted to original RS's (admittedly only 4 cars & I have no way of telling if these were the original Factory-fitted wheels) & std 914/4 wheels - & I would be interested to hear from George & any other RS owner who knows that their car still has the Factory-fitted 380mm wheel as to whether these features apply to their wheel:

    914/4 wheel: recessed centre portion bearing part number & date code:



    RS wheel: flat area:



    914/4 wheel: recess in end of splined boss:



    RS wheel: flat end to splined boss:



    914/4 wheel : edge of rear alloy hub painted black but FLAT:



    RS wheel: painted stepped 'lip' around circumference (difficult to see):



    In the above picture you can also see the original countersunk hole for the turnsignal cancelling ring (blue arrow).
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    Andy,

    Those are very interesting observations and helpful for determining what kind of 380mm wheel it is. I have the wheel off the RS to restitch the leather. Here are photos that show the same characteristics you describe. I am sure this is the original wheel based on the date stamp (12/72) and the plastic horn button. The part # is 914.347.806.10



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