Show Me Your Vintage P Dealer Plate Frames.

[LongRanger]

. . . Anybody seen any canadian dealer frames? . . . raj

Not yet . . . but been looking

In fact, of the 50-60-some Canadian Porsche dealers that I know of --- only ONE . . .

Heimrath Porsche Services, Ltd
777 Warden Ave
Toronto, ON

. . . has Porsche in their name. The rest? --- either Volkswagen . . . or nothing



In the mean time . . . . . . how 'bout one from Alaska?

[LongRanger]

422/202/1
Morgensen Motors
1402 North Central Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85004

From the Aug '68 PDL, then no mention through '74 . . .



That Shelby frame looks OG --- and is it an RWB & Co? Betcha that's some serious Bucks

[LongRanger]

Porsche Audi Motor Cars
580 Broadway Ave
Bedford (Cleveland) , OH


From the '72, '73 and '74 PDLs

White lettering on a medium (possibly once-metallic?) blue back-round, flash-chromed . . . like a lot of frames from this period --- early '70s?

Jeez --- not much imagination with that name. (Talk ‘bout playing it safe) . . . . but. Notice the detailing? RWB & Co #4

Standard '70 OH pass issue . . . grey w/scarlet to commemorate the 100th anniversary of Ohio State University. X = Athens county

[hoffman912]

Thats kind of funny that its to commemorate OSU's 100th anniversary, but its in Athens, home of OU.

pretty cool to see teh cleveland plate though!

are you sure thats grey and red to honor osu's 100th annv though? looks a lot like my 68 plate which is red and white..

[LongRanger]

. . . are you sure that's grey and red to honor osu's 100th anniv though? . . .

Hey, Harry . . . yeah, not too clear in the pic --- and I don't have a white OH plate to compare it to . . . but it looks like a soft kinda dove-grey


More here . . .

http://www.15q.net/oh.html

http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/

[LongRanger]

Ogner Porsche Audi, Inc
21301 Ventura Blvd
Woodland Hills, CA

. . . or . . .

21577 Roscoe Blvd
Canoga Park, CA

. . . or . . . .

21555 Roscoe --- zat next door?

Interesting. Especially that first address . . .

. . . ‘cause that’s also the last one listed for Competition Motors, 1970. (More on that subject later . . .)

Ogner no longer has their Porsche franchise, but it looks like they got it started when they took over from Competition Motors at that same Woodland Hills address, probably around/after Johnny Von Neumann sold everything off ~ ’71(?) Like Von Neumann --- like a lot of Dealers --- Ogner began with VW, first as Ogner Bros, Ltd (’61 thru ’66), then Ogner Motors after . . . but apparently, the VW biz was always in Culver City (?)

Anyway. Dull black lettering on a dull white back-round, flash chromed, RWB Co. I’m noticing how some of RWB Co’s usual detailing --- the texturing of the ‘back-round,’ the fine cross-hatching in the lower corners --- is missing

Plate is a 1st year 6-digit (numbers/letters) CA passenger --- the so-called ‘blue-plate.’ Reg tags were issued yearly, back then, with placement alternating between the upper wells, until ’77, when CA DMV began issuing month-of-expiration tags, placed in the upper left, year-of-exp stickers opposite

[LongRanger]

. . . previously shown . . .

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...etition+motors

. . . so here's some more detail . . .

Per the Aug ’68 PDL . . .

Competition Motors
21301 Ventura Blvd
Woodland Hills, CA

Per the ’71 PDL . . .

(‘. . . by ’61’?), ‘Distributor Offices’? ~’63
8855 West Washington Blvd
Culver City, CA

(New dedicated VW? facility)
Culver City

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/...llywood_ca.php


When it comes to Porsche Dealer frames . . . . this one’s the Loch Ness Monster, for me. I remember looking for these back in the early ‘90s . . . . and they were already totally under-ground. Saw so many replicas/duplicates/re-issues, I began to doubt whether originals ever existed. So finding one . . . .

Anyway, for me, the most famous/storied Porsche Dealer ---- period . . . going WAAAY Back, all the way, to the Very Beginning of Porsche in this country. What Max Hoffman did for Porsche’s street cars, back East, Johnny Von Neumann did for their track cars, out West

Johnny Von Neumann, born 16-Dec ’21, Vienna, son of a prominent surgeon, emigrated to the US in ’38 with the Anschluss (the German annexation of Austria)/approach of the war, ARMY Intel officer during, then came out to/stayed in California after

Started selling cars in ’47, opened his own business in ‘48, fixing sports cars in a two-car garage with some buddies, started racing . . . then began selling VWs in ’52 --- trucked them out himself --- from NY (!) --- him and his 1st wife Eleanor

So. Hanging out with Hoffman in NY one day, Von Neumann drives his first Porsche, likes it, buys it . . . . then drives it cross-country to CA . . . before they had Interstates . . . the 1st Porsche west of the Mississippi

Never looked back

In ’53 (?), moved to . . .

1219-F North Vine Street
Hollywood, CA

. . . . then . . .

1730 No. Highland
Hollywood, CA

Maybe even Inglewood?
‘. . . on Manchester blvd near LAX . . .’

http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/..._feature4.html


Raced Ferraris, became a dealer, too (in ’57) . . . allegedly so he could get better race cars. Worked-out for him. Big time. Received the 1st customer Testa Rossa. Important Ferrari Guy, too --- bugged The Old Man to build a big open-topped GT. The Result was a car better known today as the California Spyder. Racer/team owner . . . in Europe, Mexico, South America, Nassau --- had Jack McAfee, Phil Hill, Ritchie Ginther, Ken Miles driving for him. Hired this young Czech Guy to wrench and tune, too --- a certain Vasek Polak. Famously sold a 550 Spyder to some Flash-in-the-Pan Hoosier by the name of Dean. Sold + raced cars, partied, jet-setted . . . . Von Neumann was in the middle of it all, commercially + competitively. And making money

By ’69, he was into other things. Divorced the 1st wife --- she got his US Ferrari dealership --- then took off for Switzerland, where he'd owned the Ferrari concession since ‘65, sold his Porsche/VW business back to the factory ~’71? Cha-ching

After the Car Biz, imported/sold yachts out of Italy with his long-time pal Chick Iverson. Even started a little venture leasing Learjets for executive travel . . . sounds like he invented that business

Spent the last years of his life bouncing between Switzerland and California, got married, again --- had a little girl (go, Tiger), passed away Christmas Eve, 2003

Now, some four decades since his last showroom closed . . .

(--- You Concours Guys may wanna leave the room, now ---)

. . . found in an avocado grove, out in Fallbrook, attached to what was left of a ’67 Type I (as in VW) carapace . . .


Dull white (I think?) lettering on a dull green back-round (upper)/the reverse (lower)?, flash-chromed, no maker’s marks . . . . but who cares? After only a coupla decades-or so out in the elements --- just check-out those rust-blooms! . . . a total ruin. (Only chrome left was under the heads of the bolts that held it on)

But, in all my years or car bummery --- rummaging around in countless yard/garage sales, swap-meets, junk-yards, spider/rat/scorpion-infested barns/lock-ups, land-fills . . . never seen/touched/held one of these in the metal . . . ‘till this

So if this is as close as I ever get? . . . . . so be it

Plate is the one it was found attached/fused to, black plate CA, reg pass issue . . . last registered in ‘89

[Frank Beck]

Good stuff. Love hearing old stories and really love seeing the old black & whites. Please keep posting.

[Troos]

Does this belong here?
Tom

Not really Tom..........

[John Straub]

Rick,

Here's one I restored about two/three years ago with new brass plating and correct color paint. I pulled it down to take the photos and it looks like it's just corroding sitting in the garage. Bummer.

John