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    Price reduction 9113600410 - £995,000

    Previously listed at £1.1 million . . . why is the suspension set so high?

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    Porsche Centre Leeds, The Boulevard, City West Business Park, Leeds, LS12 6BG
    1973 Porsche 2.7L 911RS Touring
    VIN: 9113600410
    Engine: -
    Trans: -
    Color: Light Yellow/Black
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    Price: £995,000/~US$1,210,000

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    Porsche Centre Leeds an official Porsche GB Classic Partner is privileged to be able to offer this unique example of a Carrera 2.7 RS Touring. Car number 410. This particular RS has been subject to a full documented nut and bolt restoration by Porsche AG Germany with photographic evidence at each and every stage. Never before has Porsche AG restored a 2.7 RS, Car number 410, UK Car RHD, The first 500 cars all had lightweight panels , This is the only car to be completely restored by Porsche AG using lightweight panels indeed Porsche AG manufactured for the first time since the original production run the lightweight panels for this car only, This is the only 911 2.7 RS, in history, to be restored by Porsche AG, The restoration has had no financial restrictions from both client or Porsche AG.
    Doug Dill

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOUGS73E View Post
    why is the suspension set so high?

    To match the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    To match the price.
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    1973 model year Carrera RS as covered in PCA Porsche Panorama November 1972 one pager


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    Not all info on the eventual Carrera RS specification/s had filtered across the pond by the copy deadline seemingly, although contrary to the comment the second series was already being announced in relevant RS sales markets, as evidenced in this exerpt from a British weekly about the Earl's Court London motor show held in mid October 1972. This was written in October 1972:

    image.jpg

    Interesting snippet also in panorama about 71 and 72 sales proportion shift broken down by T/E/S/RS so this being 1972 is before the success of the RS/R in Daytona etc, etc was "exploited" by Porsche extending 911744 beyond the plans for a limited series of 500

    Since RS is MY 73 the tally must be referring to subset actually produced (or maybe all ordered) of the 500 RS in calendar 1972 to achieve the initial homologation requirement / timetable for the upcoming 1973 racing season.

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    Shift to sportier models comparing 71 to 72 looks to be a trend by calendar 72 end datapoint. The initial limited homologation purposes RS examples represent a niche percentage until "jumping on the bandwagon" caused a rethink to capitalise on the interest even when the required homologation job orders were already safely in the bag.

    image.jpg

    Regarding estimating how many were made in calendar 72, my old first edition "Technical Specification" booklet with content to May 73 (not the later slightly different shaped reprints also claiming to be edition 1) shows just over 300 RS vin to Dec 72 -- allowing for vin start at 911 360 0011, not the nominal 360 0001.

    Extended into a second homologation series opportunistically for different group,racing due to unexpected sales success then again, arguably for commercial more so than Motorsport homologation reasons, to the third series with heavier chassis etc well after the initial motor racing homologation objective of the project for doing the the 500 was achieved with certification by FIA.

    In this context, the factory produced Kundendienst-Information for the Carrera RS model makes interesting reading. A document that I understand was produced most years in that era for internal use to advise the Porsche network on the most notable changes that were featuring in any new model or any model refresh ahead of the full MY documents, MY parts books and MY service supplements etc being published.

    Extract below from that RS modell 73 document clearly shows the chassis number range from 360 1001 upwards having a different "fahrzeuge" designation vs. earlier 370 xxxx range. A point that to me signposts the factory's thinking that once the RS homologation role was complete after around 1000 examples, the model would became much more akin to a series-production 2.7 litre car in the 911 range for some markets; standardising when possible a number of unique to RS components and converging with the way series model were ordered/ assembled (known tweaks for a few late examples such as material cases and rear suspension points notwithstanding)
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    Maybe "Carrera RS cars for sale" is not the right thread for this post but this historical context does seem relevant to how for sale examples are viewed.

    The original limited series of 500 as stated above, all had firm sales orders before mid October 1972 -- reportedly they'd sold out at the early October Paris Salon launch. Nearly 45 years' on this, thread seems to be most relevant place on this forum to post these old news clippings and documentation originating in 72/3. The wording in these references being from back in the day shed an interesting light on the RS model role and the evolution of the Porsche's thinking. Information contained in these snippets was written as events unfolded showing how these things and thinking changed -- not some dim recollection or post hoc rationalisation but evidence based on words written in-period. Useful context especially in how the 3 different series and the RS model variants are segmented and viewed by the classic car sales market today.

    Steve
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    'Useful context especially in how the 3 different series and the RS model variants are segmented and viewed by the classic car sales market today."

    I think this is a fair comment but only with the last word included. Back in the late 80's when I was hunting for my first RS purchase (I was too late, prices went stratospheric very quickly in the U.K. thanks to Nigel Lawson) the differences were not understood by such a wide audience and an RS was simply an RS whatever the chassis number to many buyers. I retain most of the adverts from the period by Autofarm who seemed to sell most of the RS's back then in the U.K. and on only a few occasions was the distinction of the first 500 mentioned. There seemed to be more emphasis (as now) placed on 'matching numbers' rather than lightweight panels etc. and prices were based a lot on this and condition, number of owners, colour and so on. There did not seem to be any distinct premium at the time placed on 'series production' per se as there might be now.

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    No 1419 offered for sale in official Porsche Centre Leeds Yorkshire

    Aubergine (with white side stripe ?) LHD German car originally but been in UK awhile according to listing

    Got "silver fusch [sic] alloy rims" too

    http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C791981

    £575k around US$720k at current forex

    Same place that had/s the Porsche AG restored yellow first series RHD M472 priced at north of a million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 911MRP View Post
    . . . No 1419 offered for sale in official Porsche Centre Leeds Yorkshire . . .
    '. . . Porsche 911 2.7 RS, 1973, 72,716 Miles For Sale

    The Carrera RS exceeds its reputation as not only the iconic Porsche of the Seventies, but remains as an outstanding road-car to drive at any opportunity as well as being a blue-chip investment for the future. This rare car is one of 11 manufactured in this colour and comes with a fully documented history file. This 2.7RS is number 1,419 from the 1,590 cars built. Chassis #911 360 1419 Mileage 72716 Owners 8 Finished in Aubergine Purple, with white script writing and silver fusch alloy rims, the car was fitted with the following options from new -
    * Sports seats, driver and passenger
    * 3 point automatic rear seatbelts
    * Additional main beam headlights, yellow, halogen H3 above bumper
    * Electric antenna, right with front loud speaker

    The car has had 8 owners in total and has covered 72716 miles. Originally a German car it was imported into the UK in 1990 and has spent its life in London and Surrey. The car is stunning condition throughout. Supplied with the car is full documentation of the restoration work that has been completed, including labour time sheets and receipts detailing exactly what work has been carried out, evidence documenting the hours and detail into restoring the vehicle comes with the car as a full library of photographs showing the RS at each point of its restoration. The restoration journey began in 2009 and evidence shows the car having a comprehensive cosmetic restoration work which included stripping the car back to metal and completing any repairs including;
    * Blast clean body shell
    * Various metal/corrosion treatments
    * Installation of new bumpers
    * Repair work to any damaged panels

    In 2011 the car underwent engine restoration work at JAZ Porsche Specialist;
    * A full strip down and inspection
    * Vapour blasting
    * Throttle bodies stripped and re plated
    * Cylinder heads sent for new valve guides, blasting and seat cutting
    * Gearbox stripped, inspected and rebuilt replacing any worn parts In 2012 the car was rechecked, and sold again by Maxted Page . . .
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    FS: @Hexagon Classics - '73 Carrera RS . . .

    VIN = 9113600910
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    '. . . This 2.7 RS was originally registered in Italy, and came to the UK comes complete with its original seats, tools, MOT records, tax discs etc. The car has a history file with large invoices from marque experts such as Roger Bray and BS Motorsport, which detail works carried out and the dyno records. The bodywork has been treated with Zymol Royale . . .'

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    Quote Originally Posted by 911MRP View Post
    1973 model year Carrera RS as covered in PCA Porsche Panorama November 1972 one pager


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    Not all info on the eventual Carrera RS specification/s had filtered across the pond by the copy deadline seemingly, although contrary to the comment the second series was already being announced in relevant RS sales markets, as evidenced in this exerpt from a British weekly about the Earl's Court London motor show held in mid October 1972. This was written in October 1972:

    image.jpg

    Interesting snippet also in panorama about 71 and 72 sales proportion shift broken down by T/E/S/RS so this being 1972 is before the success of the RS/R in Daytona etc, etc was "exploited" by Porsche extending 911744 beyond the plans for a limited series of 500

    Since RS is MY 73 the tally must be referring to subset actually produced (or maybe all ordered) of the 500 RS in calendar 1972 to achieve the initial homologation requirement / timetable for the upcoming 1973 racing season.

    image.jpg

    Shift to sportier models comparing 71 to 72 looks to be a trend by calendar 72 end datapoint. The initial limited homologation purposes RS examples represent a niche percentage until "jumping on the bandwagon" caused a rethink to capitalise on the interest even when the required homologation job orders were already safely in the bag.

    image.jpg

    Regarding estimating how many were made in calendar 72, my old first edition "Technical Specification" booklet with content to May 73 (not the later slightly different shaped reprints also claiming to be edition 1) shows just over 300 RS vin to Dec 72 -- allowing for vin start at 911 360 0011, not the nominal 360 0001.

    Extended into a second homologation series opportunistically for different group,racing due to unexpected sales success then again, arguably for commercial more so than Motorsport homologation reasons, to the third series with heavier chassis etc well after the initial motor racing homologation objective of the project for doing the the 500 was achieved with certification by FIA.

    In this context, the factory produced Kundendienst-Information for the Carrera RS model makes interesting reading. A document that I understand was produced most years in that era for internal use to advise the Porsche network on the most notable changes that were featuring in any new model or any model refresh ahead of the full MY documents, MY parts books and MY service supplements etc being published.

    Extract below from that RS modell 73 document clearly shows the chassis number range from 360 1001 upwards having a different "fahrzeuge" designation vs. earlier 370 xxxx range. A point that to me signposts the factory's thinking that once the RS homologation role was complete after around 1000 examples, the model would became much more akin to a series-production 2.7 litre car in the 911 range for some markets; standardising when possible a number of unique to RS components and converging with the way series model were ordered/ assembled (known tweaks for a few late examples such as material cases and rear suspension points notwithstanding)
    image.jpeg

    Maybe "Carrera RS cars for sale" is not the right thread for this post but this historical context does seem relevant to how for sale examples are viewed.

    The original limited series of 500 as stated above, all had firm sales orders before mid October 1972 -- reportedly they'd sold out at the early October Paris Salon launch. Nearly 45 years' on this, thread seems to be most relevant place on this forum to post these old news clippings and documentation originating in 72/3. The wording in these references being from back in the day shed an interesting light on the RS model role and the evolution of the Porsche's thinking. Information contained in these snippets was written as events unfolded showing how these things and thinking changed -- not some dim recollection or post hoc rationalisation but evidence based on words written in-period. Useful context especially in how the 3 different series and the RS model variants are segmented and viewed by the classic car sales market today.

    Steve
    I never really established what exactly did not let the RS comply with 1973 US DOT standards, at least the touring model. Surely the RS engine ran as clean as the S. The chassis mods were not that drastic. Anybody know?
    David

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