Anyone ever heard of a '72 model like this before ?...

[911T1971]

A recent "discovery" of another "no-oil-flap" 1972. 9112300011 911S with engine 6320021.
Also built in March 1971, and another special color: viper green
I have asked for more info.
http://atspeedmotors.com/1972-porsche-911s-prototype
I just noticed, both cars are the first of the series, and both have engine serial #'s ending in 0021. We know the first 10 VIN's were reserved; could it be that the first 20 engine serial #'s were also reserved?

If that car was ever in Switzerland, could be another Siffert car or then one of Pedro Rodriguez's 911.
I know its a pretty loooooong shot (and the car seems heading straight to the US).
Unique car.

As Milou reported earlier in this thread, his now sold ex Siffert 71S april 71 built also had an 2.4lS engine (proto Sportomatic) w 71 (beige) interior, 71 specs, metalllic green exterior and NO oil flap, chassis No 1180.

[davep]

If that car was ever in Switzerland, could be another Siffert car or then one of Pedro Rodriguez's 911.
I know its a pretty loooooong shot (and the car seems heading straight to the US).

Note the North American DOT decal. From the seller spiel:
This car is said to be the 1972 U.S. Emissions Testing car for the new 2.4L engine. It carries matching 2.4L engine #6320021. After testing, it was then given to the Holbert's by Porsche factory for their race team. As a race team owner, I understand what probably happened next...they were running low on money, so they SOLD THE CAR (something I'm sure was never "supposed" to happen).

[Baxter2012]

It should also be a 911/53 case to be. A 2.4 or at least mine is I have 0020 and believe it is August/71

[LongRanger]

. . . If that car was ever in Switzerland, could be . . . one of Pedro Rodriguez's 911.
I know its a pretty loooooong shot (and the car seems heading straight to the US) . . .

One Pedro Rodriguez car has been ID'd . . . VIN = 9111301184 --- see post #5 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ighlight=pedro

This vehicle was completed/presented in late April '71. Rodriguez was killed racing in July

[Lash LaRowe]

Interesting story, they must have been testing the 2.4 engine for state side use with carburetors and MFI to see how they would comply with EPA standards. I say this because I was stationed in Wiesbaden Germany and ordered a 1972 911T in June 1971. When the order was placed my first invoice indicated carburetors. Late July I was contacted by the salesman and asked to come talk to him. He said I have good news and bad news, good news was all US models would be fitted with the MFI and the bad news was it would increase the price by (I think) $278.00 I was happy to pay the difference because I was essentially getting an E model but not paying the E price.
So Porsche dealers (and possibly the factory) did not know till the end of July 1971 that all US models would be equipped with MFI.
My 72 T was #153 off the assembly line and I picked it up around the first week of September at the factory.
I now own a 1972 911S Targa

[Peanut]

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but the sellers text was interesting to me. I've never read such definitive language re the first 10-20 cars "would generally never be sold to public".

Is this correct? As the owner of 68S #002, I'm trying to piece together early history.

And re the 72S mentioned here, the ask is $525,000

From the At Speed Motors website;

This Porsche 911S is absolutely extraordinary!!! Built in March of 1971 as a 1972 model, this car is THE LOWEST 1972 CHASSIS NUMBER KNOWN TO EXIST! Its VIN #9112300011 places it as a unit that would generally never be sold to the public! Usually, the first 10-20 cars were used for crash testing, in-house performance testing, emissions testing, etc. Then, those cars were usually either destroyed by the factory or used for something else internally.

This car is said to be the 1972 U.S. Emissions Testing car for the new 2.4L engine. It carries matching 2.4L engine #6320021. After testing, it was then given to the Holbert's by Porsche factory for their race team. As a race team owner, I understand what probably happened next...they were running low on money, so they SOLD THE CAR (something I'm sure was never "supposed" to happen).

Wait...it gets better! From the 1971 to 1972 model year, Porsche made a number of changes including moving from the 901 gearbox to the much improved 915 gearbox. This car has 915 gearbox #0001 and the gearbox itself is still in the pre-production magnesium casting!!! In addition, from the factory, this 915 gearbox came with an internal oil pump...THE ONLY 1972 S IN THE WORLD KNOWN TO HAVE SUCH FROM THE FACTORY and obviously the beginning of Porsche’s experimentation/testing for use in the upcoming 73 Carrera RS!!

Other amazing prototype features of this S are: 1971-style factory through-the-body front oil cooler lines that were not put into production due to the costs associated with doing so - instead, in 1972, the factory starting running those lines outside the body along the right side of the car; 1971 911 oil fill tube with a 1971 sump tank; a single front battery from the factory; paint to sample by the factory making this THE VERY FIRST VIPER GREEN CAR IN EXISTENCE (by the way, quite a bit of the paint is ORIGINAL ON THIS CAR!); and NO EXTERNAL OIL FILL FLAP ON THE RIGHT SIDE QUARTER PANEL, from the factory; and ALL ORIGINAL 1971 interior - not 1972!!

This is a true piece of Porsche history and I must publically thank Dr. Konradsheim for all of his assistance in researching the various details of this Porsche.

[davep]

re the first 10-20 cars "would generally never be sold to public".

Not quite correct. From the beginning of 1970 model year the first 10 VIN's of a model were reserved for specials. In many cases these were renumbered cars of previous years; mostly racing cars that were recycled. However, prior to that the 0001 cars were for public sale. In fact a lot of prototypes were also sold, some renumbered and some were not; the 3100xx car and several of the 3200xx cars are known.

[Per Schroeder]

About 10 years ago, I had the 8th 69E. Kinda neat--but was just a basic euro-spec car that a serviceman brought back.

[Peanut]

Dave / Per - Thanks for the clarification.

Scott

[pu911rsr]

A friend of mine owns #11 79 930, he was provided with a letter from Porsche stating the first 10 were crash tested and his would of been the first US 79 930. Don't know when this started.
Phil