Ultimate ST thread

[HughH]

[QUOTE=Leirbag;1178270]I barely have time to post a message, JCK has made a new update with 2 other cars:


- original Bonomelli 1972 911 S car : chassis 002 0005

it is worthwhile looking at his page and comments on RSR 9113601159: an un raced USA car but the 002 0005 car was sold as that vin in 2008 at Bonhams and has only recently been returned to its vin 002 0005 which WAS the car with the amazing race history purported to be 1159 in the sale https://pbase.com/archive_racing_porsche/n_911_360_1159

[Leirbag]

Does 0005 qualify as a vehicle of a private runner in its main stage? Not as an S/T factory, correct?

JCK says about 002 0005 : "Specs : built by Bonomelli with new ST bodyshell from factory"

As well, on the 3.0L RSR part : "Some more original bodyshell 3.0 RSR were deliver to professional teams like Kremer, Meznarie, Almeras, Tam Auto, Wicky & Bonomelli."

In this case, all of them had special numbers, just like Meznarie : 006 0015


If you want to read the chassis number, just as a standart one, I think it is " The 5th chassis repaired/furnished/restored by Porsche in 1972", or in Meznarie 3.0L RSR case : "The 15th chassis repaired/furnished/restored by Porsche in/of 1976"



On this type of numbers, can we count 911 230 0769 ? or 911 230 0869 ? Maybe more ?



Another question, why did Bonomelli used a, old VIN number on his car in 1975 ? My theory is maybe because the Belgian owner in 1975 (source : JCK) may not want to buy a non-standart VIN car...

[Leirbag]

As if that wasn't enough yet, JCK continues to add with 3 new STs, 6 in total for 2 days :


- Jean Pierre Gaban : 911 030 1114, 3 times Le Mans


- Le Mans 1971 #63 car : 911 030 0364


and finally :

- "911 EC", or 911 E serie C, René Mazzia 2 times Le Mans car : 911 022 0306



I don't think there are many other Le Mans cars to discover the chassis number, but there are still the Porsche Club Romand cars (should I share my research here?)

[davep]

JCK says about 002 0005 : "Specs : built by Bonomelli with new ST bodyshell from factory"

As well, on the 3.0L RSR part : "Some more original bodyshell 3.0 RSR were deliver to professional teams like Kremer, Meznarie, Almeras, Tam Auto, Wicky & Bonomelli."

In this case, all of them had special numbers, just like Meznarie : 006 0015

002 0005 & 006 0015 are body production numbers, also known as production order numbers. These numbers were stamped on the body below the radio opening on the lower part of the dash usually hidden by the knee pad; and also handwritten in lumber crayon on the cowl. Normal production bodies and production order numbers for standard cars have a leading 1. A leading 0 indicates a replacement body shell. The next digit, 0, indicates a coupe body type. The third digit is the model year of production. So, yes, a lot of race cars were built on replacement bodies to save time and cost. Replacement bodies were available from the early days when Porsche supplied Beutler with basic chassis on which cabriolets were built.

[_gonbau]

JCK says about 002 0005 : "Specs : built by Bonomelli with new ST bodyshell from factory"

As well, on the 3.0L RSR part : "Some more original bodyshell 3.0 RSR were deliver to professional teams like Kremer, Meznarie, Almeras, Tam Auto, Wicky & Bonomelli."

In this case, all of them had special numbers, just like Meznarie : 006 0015


If you want to read the chassis number, just as a standart one, I think it is " The 5th chassis repaired/furnished/restored by Porsche in 1972", or in Meznarie 3.0L RSR case : "The 15th chassis repaired/furnished/restored by Porsche in/of 1976"



On this type of numbers, can we count 911 230 0769 ? or 911 230 0869 ? Maybe more ?



Another question, why did Bonomelli used a, old VIN number on his car in 1975 ? My theory is maybe because the Belgian owner in 1975 (source : JCK) may not want to buy a non-standart VIN car...

Thank you for that response, it caught my attention. If it was factory-built, the type of electrical cut in the front part and not where the factory mounted it in '72 near the front glass.

[Leirbag]

002 0005 & 006 0015 are body production numbers, also known as production order numbers. These numbers were stamped on the body below the radio opening on the lower part of the dash usually hidden by the knee pad; and also handwritten in lumber crayon on the cowl. Normal production bodies and production order numbers for standard cars have a leading 1. A leading 0 indicates a replacement body shell. The next digit, 0, indicates a coupe body type. The third digit is the model year of production. So, yes, a lot of race cars were built on replacement bodies to save time and cost. Replacement bodies were available from the early days when Porsche supplied Beutler with basic chassis on which cabriolets were built.

It makes sense now, thanks !