Ultimate ST thread

[gms]

Raj,
Thanks for your kind words and thanks for starting this awesome thread!
I thank you, Hugh and others for sharing their knowledge about these great cars!

Lets discuss your 914/6 GT in a more appropriate place:
Roadglue

[WERK1]

Hugh and all,

thankyou for starting a fantasic thread, St's have been a passion for me for the past 5 years and it is great to see lots of new photos popping up.

Hugh, seeing you mentioned the aussie ST, I thought I'd ask if you new any of the history of Bill Browns car?
When Jim McKeown came to watch our yellow ST replica race in the Historic touring car series he reminiced about the battles he had in his Shell sponsored 69S against Bill Brown in his Red 1970 911. He was very proud to tell us that Bill, having a "Factory built" car still couldn't beat his locally prepared car. They both competed in The 1970 Australian touring car Championship with Jim finishing Second overall (beating quite a few mustangs and camaros) and Bill Brown Seventh.

Attachment 56555

It certainly looks like a factory ST, has the half cage, the correct looking flares on the guards and is LHD where all the other Porsches that raced here were RHD.

[OliveR]

Awesome thread!!!!

[HughH]

Hi Dave

I really don't know about the Bill Brown car. He had some awesome machinery at that time and as you said it was LHD. However I have no proof one way or the other as to whether it was a real "factory built" ST or one made up . It certainly looked the part.

I have no records of its numbers and have no real idea of where to start on this one.

Jim McKeown's comments are very interesting in this regards however.


it does not feature in Australian ordered cars like the thackwell one, but obviously private imports for racing purposes existed at the time.

here are a couple of extra pics - I notice that it was sponsored by Scuds in sydney - Dennis do you or Mark G know?

[group4 st]

Hi All
A great st thread,i have a big passion for the st,and did own 0721 ivory white st for 4 years and competed with it.I also built a exact copy to race and throw about ,rather than wreck the original.The original car was quite unique with many special chassis mods and was a correct lwt thin steeled body with plastic front fenders.It finished first in class and 12th over all in the 73 targa and 17th overall in the 72 targa.
The car was actually supplied new with no engine,and in period was fitted with a 2.3,a 2.5 and even a 2.8.It did have a factory official designation st and was chalked on the steel dash support along with the production number.

0497 was a interesting car that i test drove with a view to buying ,to turn into my copy car,but withdrew from the deal.There was no mention of the kremers building the car,but a German race driver had it built by a local company to him ,It was certainly no ST.
0949 or one of them was for sale in the uk a few years ago,the advert stating that this car had taken on the id of the famous car!I may even be able to find the advert some time.
The photos of the red aussie car looks great,nice to see some more period race photos.
It is really hard to tell which is correct and which is not,as not many st were actually the same,different variations on arches,front bumpers,roll cages,electric cut outs and lights etc Some st even had ali front wings,bumpers and doors.
I did look at a few 911st before i purchased my car,the detail differences were quite surprising.
Interestingly the rsr at the rennsport reunion, that was a st and then converted to a rsr prototype by the factory.This car had been in England for some time and was purchased directly from the factory.It resembled the closest chassis and special mods as to my car,a lot of people around the car saying it was not a correct car was quite funny.
A good friend also owned the yellow st that was said to be the camera car for the lemans film,this car was different again,but did have a lwt body.A great car,of which we had good fun at the Leipzig factory test track with both cars being driven as intended.
The rhd aussie car that was in a couple of auctions in the uk and for sale for a long time,i had inspected the car at the auction for a another friend to buy,we passed on it for varying reasons.
Keep this thread going,i will see if i can work out how to put some photos up for you some time.
Regards

[group4 st]

Hi
The mongrel car as you call it,i thought was a real good and interesting car.
I bumped into Josh looking over the car also.We had a good discussion over your car and mine.The rally style re-enforced jacking point, was identical to mine.The thin roof steel and front arches were also the same,not sure from memory if your car had the re-enforced inner front fender,like a double skin from the front bulk head panel to the strut top.I have photos of mine and will post when my son returns to show me how to put photos up.
The front inner fenders or wings as we call it,were factory made as the panel fitted underneath the panel that the chassis number by the fuel tank is.
This could only be done during production,the car also had thin gauge steel doors,scuttle panel etc.The rear arches had been stretched after the factory,to make room for 10inch wide minilights.
The car spent nearly all its life in southern Italy and was in fantastic original condition,with a sensitive documented restoration also in souther Italy.
The strahle car had also come to England about 2 years ago,nice car ,but very new with a great restoration done by Freisinger.I think its still on there web site as a restoration project.

[group4 st]

The strahle link,and then image gallery for the photos.
http://www.freisinger-motorsport.de/...ssic_911s.html

[advtracing]

great thread , keep it coming !! on to the 72 year??? who could tell me if Brumos Porsche ever ran a s/t in there famous colours

[HughH]

Raj posted a list what is supposed to be the factory built ST's in the 1972 Model year. It is reproduced on page 1 of this thread. Even if it is not the full list of 1972 cars it is much more than seems to be available for the 1970 or 1971 MY.

the list details 31 cars, most with a "662 xxxx" engine number shown against them.

I have some details of, or photos for, 13 of them, now including 0921 posted by Glenn in this thread (thanks Glenn), and details on a couple of others that claim to be 1972 ST's.

Obviously this does not cover cars built or converted with factory kits by race teams or privateers. I have not identified any of these as Kremer cars or any campaigned from new by the other well known teams - although some may be there.

I will try to work through them but I will first post this one (911 230 0013) which is not on the list but has factory documentation that suggests it may be a "prototype for the 2.2 ST"

911 230 0013 engine 632 0023

This is from when it was for sale at elevenparts in Europe some years ago

"1972, Porsche 911 S/T Prototype

Chassis Nr. 911 230 0013. This rare 911S/T was built July 1971 in Gulf orange, it was used by the factory research and race department and sold 2 year later in June 1973 to Belgium. See confirmation letter from the factory. It was sold to the Gaban race team and used as Rally car. In 1990 the car was found as a rolling chassis without engine and interior but with gearbox and in good rust-free condition. The current owner had the car fully rebuilt in England and changed to wide body.

The car today has 2.8L single plug, 915 lim. slip gearbox, correct Scheel seats, dual race brakes, FIA papers and all components are fully rebuilt and the car is race ready"


it was the subject of some discussion last year on this board

photos
factory letter
as gaban rallye car (narrow body)
"reasonably" current (x2)

[HughH]

one of two identical rally ST's
factory Rallye car
S AK 1336
Monte Carlo rallye 21st-28th January 1972 - car #4
for Gerard Larrousse/Jean-Claude Perramond
2nd Outright

later a recce car for 1972 TdC
sold to Meznarie in late 1972
in December 1972 Larousse at Criterium de Cervannes for Menzarie

now in europe, restored and used in classic events

Photos
3 period ones at 1972 Monte
Cervennes with Larrousse
current