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    Here is another proof that German market 911S was standard in lightwheight spec.
    If you wanted a German 1970 911S as sold in US or elsewhere, it was on special order.
    There is not even an offer how to order a 1970 911S as "we all know", it was simply written "a 911S with E equipment".

    This is below so far the only sales literature document documenting the German 911S standard in a very detailed written document.
    Giving the importance of the German market, I doubt it was sold elsewhere as in Germany:
    -100l tank with front hood inlet
    -6x15 front, 7x15 rear
    -interior/door in lightwheight
    -engine lid/front bumpers in alu
    -different dials
    etc.

    This the 1970 Sales (dealer version) program for German market.


    Note the * at S*:
    It indicates if you want a special order "Sonderausstattung" 911S, it came with E equipment (written in lower left of page).
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    Wow! Thanks Karim. I stand corrected that it was just an assumption that it was only not offered in the U.S. Thanks for pointing that out.
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    Cornpanzer, dont know yet.
    In Germany it was available for shure, US and Switzerland we know it was not.
    BUT I do believe it was available RoW trough the factory race department, as you and others stated.
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    Now we just need to find one, right? =)
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    In fact, a second German market 1970 item specify that the 911S has a 110l tank.
    It indicates no further infos but has the well known white car as well as the interior as discussed, see below

    1970 German market.


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    Here is a factory issued postcard, printed in 3/70.
    The pic (and car) has been published before, its MY 69, see its doors.
    On the rear It says "Porsche 911S, fasted car on the german market"

    I agree with Cornpanzer there is yet to find one...I assume they got ordered for German GT class racing only...


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    Well…once you know where to look it just pops up.

    This is a french market sales literature (including dealer stamps), and yes, the 1970 911S "version standard" is there.
    If you ordered a fully equipped 911S Coupe or Targa, it was then called "+ Equipement M".
    (Looks like the standard 911S was therefore available only in Coupe form.)

    I know this 1970 literature exists also in Italian, German and english (for UK/AUS ?) language, so at least now we do know it was (partly) a RoW market car.

    Note that four models available: 911T, 911E, 911S standard, 911S +M:
    1970 911S "version standard" / "Grundausstattung" vs. "+ Equipement M" / special order "Sonderausstattung mit E-Ausstattung":
    -930kg vs. 1020kg.
    -7.2 vs. 7.5 sec
    -100l tank vs. 62lt.
    -Dunlop Racing / 5.00 M 15 R 7




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    1971 German market brochure.

    "The standard ("Grundausstattung") 911S is now -contrary to the last modelyear- similar to the 911E.
    The most important differences in interiors are sportseats that are included with the 911S"


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    light weight homologation "standard" S

    Hi Raj:

    One of our fellow board members based in Germany has just such a "standard" 70S originally sold in Europe and there are a couple of others known.

    Many narrow body lightweights were ordered by dealers/teams and converted to widebody Group 4 race cars in peiod.

    Exampes of later long hood 911S cars ordered to lightweight specs have been turning up as well.
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    Raj, I dont know. I see your point. But this was not the motivation for this thread.

    At least one was built
    Given the rise in values, maybe one day some shell pops up to prove the point.

    I also recall Porsche was very involved in German GT racing scene and when Opel Commodores, Ford Capri by May and BMW CSL drove around 911's..the factory had an (image) problem. I know the story of extended rear seats to have the 911S as a four-seater GT homologated, what the BMW, Ford and Opel have been. (below, see the 1971 pic)

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