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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr 911E View Post
    Thanks for the above info! So, the deLuxe wasn't a new name and apparently came up again. We still have several folks looking Sales Bulletin #13. Meanwhile a VERY knowledgable ex US dealer told me that these cars may have been updated to 1967 model designation to help sell old(er), i.e. 1966 cars that were getting hard to sell with the S coming out. Also, btw, I am told that it is very easy to make wipers park on the right or left side (I asked for details) so one of these cars may have been (in fact probably was as it clearly is a 66-looking car) modified and that is why the wiper are not where we expect them
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    Meanwhile a VERY knowledgable ex US dealer told me that these cars may have been updated to 1967 model designation to help sell old(er), i.e. 1966 cars that were getting hard to sell with the S coming out. This is what I believe really happened!..........Cliff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr 911E View Post
    ........... We still have several folks looking Sales Bulletin #13. ..........btw, I am told that it is very easy to make wipers park on the right or left side (I asked for details) so one of these cars may have been (in fact probably was as it clearly is a 66-looking car) modified and that is why the wiper are not where we expect them
    -Allen-
    Update. STILL looing for #13 1966 Sales bulletin. Help! Regarding the wipers, I received this from the aforementioned ex-dealer...
    To switch wiper park position from L to R, or vice versa ---
    Take a look (with a mirror), & you'll see on the bottom of the wiper motor a drive plate with 2 arms.
    Note that it is secured to the wiper motor shaft by a single nut (mounting hole is "oval/elongated").
    Remove the nut.
    Wiggle the drive plate off the shaft with the arms attached.
    Rotate the plate 180 degrees, which moves the wiper arms to the opposite side.
    Reinstall drive plate & nut.
    Once you've done a few, it's a 10 min. job.


    Whenever you mess with or install wiper arms, ALWAYS stand 'em up for a test run ---- just to be sure you don't drag them across the cowl paint job
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    -Allen-

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    The Dec 63 factory notice talks about a "901 normal" equipped with a 4 cylinder engine. This is just 3 months after the introduction of the 901 at Paris.



    This is contrary to what I have previously believed to be the case with the "creation" of the 912 at a much later date then the 911 introduction - it was my belief (and I think also the "common wisdom" ) that the 912 was somewhat of an afterthought. This "notice" indicates it was in the model line up from the begining.

    There is a very early photo (I'll let someone else dig it up) of a white "911" that shows a car with no deco trim and a round gas filler door that is reputed to be a 901 (911) prototype. The thing that struck me as odd is the license plate is 902 (typically - in the factory photos, it seems the license plate ended in the model number of the car). I have wondered if it really was a 912 - and this adds fuel to that fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W6CZ View Post
    The Dec 63 factory notice talks about a "901 normal" equipped with a 4 cylinder engine. This is just 3 months after the introduction of the 901 at Paris.



    This is contrary to what I have previously believed to be the case with the "creation" of the 912 at a much later date then the 911 introduction - it was my belief (and I think also the "common wisdom" ) that the 912 was somewhat of an afterthought. This "notice" indicates it was in the model line up from the begining.

    There is a very early photo (I'll let someone else dig it up) of a white "911" that shows a car with no deco trim and a round gas filler door that is reputed to be a 901 (911) prototype. The thing that struck me as odd is the license plate is 902 (typically - in the factory photos, it seems the license plate ended in the model number of the car). I have wondered if it really was a 912 - and this adds fuel to that fire.
    nice catch don!
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    There was a story in Total 911 magazine issue 47 about the early development of the 911. Several of the prototypes used 356 engines becuase the 901 engine was not yet ready or developed to the point of reliable power. This led Porsche to create the 4 cylinder 901->902 both because it would be a stepping stone up to the 901 from the original 356 customers and because the 4 cylinder powerplant had already been developed for reliablity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W6CZ View Post
    The Dec 63 factory notice talks about a "901 normal" equipped with a 4 cylinder engine. This is just 3 months after the introduction of the 901 at Paris.
    -IAA Frankfurt Sept. 1963/Paris Oct. 1963/London Oct 1963/Turin Feb.1964 :
    Presentation of Prototype No.5 901, yellow, (VIN 13 325) with mock-up 6cyl engine and early two instruments dashboard, non running car. Price only estimated. Car showed along 356 models which continued to be built and sold thru the factory.

    -December 9th, 1963 factory note essentially laid out planned 3-model line up (901, 901dL, 901S) which was
    for technical development reasions delayed until 1964 (911), 1966 (912) and 1967 (911S).

    -IAA Paris Oct. 1964
    Presentation 901Coupe, priced, first 911Coupe models got sold on Oct. 27th 1964 in Stuttgart.


    Quote Originally Posted by W6CZ View Post
    There is a very early photo of a white "911" that shows a car with no deco trim and a round gas filler door that is reputed to be a 901 (911) prototype. The thing that struck me as odd is the license plate is 902 (typically - in the factory photos, it seems the license plate ended in the model number of the car). I have wondered if it really was a 912 - and this adds fuel to that fire.
    -Prototype No.11 902/11-912/12, white, (VIN 13529) was built June 9th 1964 by Karmann and equipped with 4-cyl engine based on 356SC (Engine 8134229), equipped with 4-gear transmission, later 5 gear. Plate S-UP 934/S-CU 902
    Used in Sept/Oct. 1964 for tires tests, April 1965 suspension tests; June 1965 sound isolation tests, Driven on Oct. 1965 by F:Porsche to Wolfsburg (VW headquarter), sold to unknown Sept.17th 1965.
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    YES! That is the car I was thinking of - though not the photo. In fact - I may have confused the photo I was thinking of drivers side front 1/4 view with a woman at the wheel - possibly the same woman as in the 5'th photo. There is another of this car with just F. Porshche at the front left fender or maybe the others were airbrushed out of #4.

    Thank you for confirming my theory tha has been previously dismissed by 911 "experts".

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    W6CZ, according Aichele, there are about 15 confirmed prototypes, having 5-digit VIN's starting with 13 XXX.

    Proto No1, white, Most likely this car was on staged 1963 factory group photo with Ferry Porsche in front.
    Note: 901 has no installed windshield.
    (info edited)


    Proto No.11, white, with F.A"Butzi" Porsche next to car.



    Proto No.4, yellow, planned 1963 IAA car, later spare show car.

    (edited: this second pic might not be Proto no.4)

    Proto No.5, yellow "Typ 901", at 1963 Frankfurt IAA.


    Proto No.2, white, camouflage 901 of 1963.


    Proto No.7, signalred, "Barbarossa" survived and is in US.
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    Wink Another shot of the 901/902?



    Same car it seems:


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    The second photo of #5 (post 28), with both doors open and the front trunk as well seems to be reversed from the looks of the steering wheel and the fuel filler lid.
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