Yes Karim, I'd bet you're right: Lux in this case probably was Appearance Package (we see of lot of these T's in fact) Thanks for keeping the thread going!
-Allen-
PS Nice super clean website and work Karim !!
Yes Karim, I'd bet you're right: Lux in this case probably was Appearance Package (we see of lot of these T's in fact) Thanks for keeping the thread going!
-Allen-
PS Nice super clean website and work Karim !!
Perhaps the use and abbreviations R.S. Ex. 13166 needs to be re-thought.
R=revised ,S= specifications Ex. Exterior (?) 13166 maybe the 131 ( not a dash but 1) related to options for 66 or there was an option 13 (if / ) made up for the 66 models to make them 67.
Since the area to write the new model designation was restricted.... writing out the suggested words( revised ,specification would not fit ) . All American style writing .
Since the deluxe was more expensive,accessories would be added to identify these models .
Were all noted changes on COA’s cosmetic ?
It’s been noted that most if not all of these deluxe examples were already at dealers so maybe after the fact and no real directive from factory was issued . So maybe no 13/66 document ? Just this revised Kardex ?
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Definitely an american writing, as I stated years ago. In German you write 1 and not l for one.
Ex. for exterior is possible, but also Ex. for Exemplar.
The biggest doubt for R.S. is that in German, the „S“ for „Schreiben“ cant be really written isolated as an S, as the word is actually a single word „Rundschreiben“ aka R or Rs.
I used to be sceptical that R.S. indeed means Rundschreiben, as it defines any logic of how german language is written and abrevated. But I have no proof and might be wrong.
The best is to go see the real Kardex in Stuttgart, i actually saw the grey drawers and their inside at the archiv but wasn’t alowed to make pictures.
However, with my planned literature project we might can include Rundschreiben and i hope 13/66 might be solved.
Meanwhile, here is 1/66
Last edited by 911T1971; 11-05-2019 at 08:49 AM.
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This is a wonderful document; I especially like the 1/66. Of course we have no proof, yet, that "R.S." is Rundschreiben but we can be pretty sure it is NOT RennsportOriginally Posted by 911T1971
Definitely an american writing, as I stated years ago. In German you write 1 and not l for one.
Ex. for exterior is possible, but also Ex. for Exemplar.
The biggest doubt for R.S. is that in German, the „S“ for „Schreiben“ cant be really written isolated as an S, as the word is actually a single word „Rundschreiben“ aka R or Rs.
I used to be sceptical that R.S. indeed means Rundschreiben, as it defines any logic of how german language is written and abrevated. But I have no proof and might be wrong.
The best is to go see the real Kardex in Stuttgart, i actually saw the grey drawers and their inside at the archiv but wasn’t alowed to make pictures.
However, with my planned literature project we might can include Rundschreiben and i hope 13/66 might be solved.
Meanwhile, here is 1/66
Perhaps the "American" (since some believe that handwriting is proof that the writer was non-German) also abbreviated Runschreiben in a non-German way? As for post #302, the 1967 model was much "decontented" from the standard (and only 1966 model.) Here are some differences for the 1967 ("normal" not "S"): No Webasto; no under bumper fog lights; aluminium dash versus 1966 wood dash to name a few. Another interesting fact about the 1966 MY is that except for minor (but yes unique) differences the very first late 1964 901 (911) is essentially the same car in almost all respects as the 1966 MY car! Karim, good luck with your trip to Zuffenhausen. Recall the Steve Heinrichs (RIP) looked at ALL the "1967 deLuxe" Kardex, they were ALL late 1966 model year cars. Therefore, I don't know what you think you are going to learn looking at the Kardex? We need to find the file(s) of communication to world-wide dealers. So far we've found no factory document of any kind describing these cars. Thanks !
-Allen-
Last edited by Allen Henderson; 11-06-2019 at 10:21 AM.
Allan
I met Frank Jung, head of Porsche Archiv and had a 4 hour private tour, visiting both factory archives in Stuttgart, not open to the public.
I saw everything, Kardex, documents, Porsche letters and models, everything. Out of respect i never asked to make photos, it wasn’t appropriate to do so and an honor to receive that special guest treatment.
We currently work on the official Porsche Literature 63-73 project and Jung told me, all Rundschreiben might be published, courtesy factory.
As what you write above i also agree. While I do think its american handwriting as well as we still dont know how 13/66 looks neither what R.S stands for, i agree 66 cars got updated to 67 equipments, as it was probably the case in 69 for UK cars, as seen in the list i provided.
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Karim, What do you mean by this: " 66 cars got updated to 67 equipments" ?
Deck lid Allen, maybe i was not precise. If all what you are saying is true, deluxe kept the 66 equipments but had updated 67 decklid, correct.
What is interesting is that a 69 911T lux was officially priced in the UK, maybe using an older dealer name for higher equiped base models.
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Karim, as far as I know the "Modell 1967 911 deLuxe R.S. Ex. 13/66" is IDENTICAL to the 1966 Model Year car. Any changes from that, including lettering on the deck lid etc. was NOT PART of the sales program for these renamed (renamed ONLY for sales purposes, and could be titled as 1967 cars. That is NOTHING was modified on these cars from Standard 1966 Model Year cars)
BTW, regarding the style of writing on the Kardex, the same person (American or not) apparently did all of them ! Also, this was done at the factory. Thanks.
-Allen-
Thx Allen.
The fact that over 50 percent of Porsche cars back then were sold to the US, im shure some people at the factory were able to speak fluently english with the respective US importer and dealers and/or were, originally US citizens.
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Karim,
In 1973 I was stationed at the Navy base in Rota, Spain. I had a 1964 356. I took a side trip from Wiesbaden, where we had an altitude chamber test as part of our normal physical, and I took a side (long) train trip to Stuttgart and a taxi to Zuffenhausen. I wanted a tour but was told, "we are a small company," and can not do that with short notice. The parts guy, who spoke English, knew by heart ALL the part numbers I need for a clutch kit. He also told me about hot rod 356s with much more power, remember the 911 was in full swing by then. That is Porsche ! Thanks.
-Allen-
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