Concours & Mechanical Upgrades

[John Straub]

I second or third that !!! Go for it. They will give you a chance to talk about your car.

John

[jaudette3]

Here's a picture of my car at the Forest Grove Concours. I'm trying to decide whether to show it with the gumballs or not, and if I do, wondering if it would be better to put numbers in them or leave them blank. As always, input very much appreciated.

Photo Courtesy of John Pedersen

You'll notice the rally plate for the Tulip Rally in 1968. You usually see one for the Monte Carlo Rally but, as this is a car that would have built by a privateer in the day, they would of most likely entered second tier rallies as opposed to top tier ones like Monte Carlo.

Cheers,
JohnA

[2POINT7]

It really depends on what type of class you are entered in as to whether or not you display with the gumballs. If you are in a modified class with other cars that look like competition cars (hence the need for a number) then leave them on but add numbers. If you are in a stock class say, "Mid-Century European Sports Cars" or "Early 911 Porsches" then I would absolutely encourage you to display without the gumballs.

You are looking for advice, that's mine.

[72targa]

This photo needs to be on the 2010 calendar!

Here's a picture of my car at the Forest Grove Concours. I'm trying to decide whether to show it with the gumballs or not, and if I do, wondering if it would be better to put numbers in them or leave them blank. As always, input very much appreciated.

Photo Courtesy of John Pedersen

You'll notice the rally plate for the Tulip Rally in 1968. You usually see one for the Monte Carlo Rally but, as this is a car that would have built by a privateer in the day, they would of most likely entered second tier rallies as opposed to top tier ones like Monte Carlo.

Cheers,
JohnA

[NickP]

John

Thanks for the awesome new desktop photo! Your car is stunning. I hope to see it some day.

nick

[jaudette3]

Here's a question that I've always wondered about as to how concours judging is done: Which of the following is better in terms of scoring?

o An original piece with slight cosmetic flaws but totally original.

o An original piece that is perfect but updated, such as replated,

o A reproduction piece that is perfect cosmetically but may have very slight differences from the original identifiable only by freaks like myself.

An example:

The top of door trim on 67's was chrome plated brass (very heavy and very nice). In '68 it was changed to anodized aluminum which is all that is currently available. Also, the squeegee on the chrome plated brass was vinyl which was replaced in '68 with rubber with a somewhat different profile. (Do judges get down to such an esoteric level?).

I love originality and so the answer is easy for me - I will always prefer an original piece even if it is less than perfect. And I will even avoid rechroming if I can as I love the early German chrome. My perception is that will cause points deductions in a show - am I right?

I once asked the 356 crowd a question that wasn't very well received: If a car is done with a lot of reproduction parts does it in essence become a replica at some point?

Cheers,
JohnA

P.S. I am a total freak about originality. At the Emory Campout (a hardcore 356 group) one year, my '60 S90 Roadster had two repro parts on it (later replaced with originals). I offered a beer to anyone who could identify them - no-one could find both of them. I might do the same thing in Carmel.

[Sacto S]

Keep in mind that the judges have a limited amount of time to cover the entire car. The judges are wearing sportcoats and slacks, not coveralls. They are not going to crawl all over and under your car. Although the judges are most often highly qualified people, they may or may not know the details that are particular to your specefic year or model. That is unless you have Paul Risinger judge your '67S. Unless you point out the obscure questionable details, which you shouldn't, the judges will most likely not notice them. Except for the ones you have now published here on the board.

Your car looks amazing!!! Relax and enjoy the event. Remember, this is supposed to be FUN!

[John Straub]

I'm not listening!!

John

[2POINT7]

OK, Sacto, back at cha. Your description of the judges, the knowledge they may... but probably don't have, the time they have to inspect your car and the attire they will be wearing is spot on. Well stated.

I also agree wholeheartedly that the bottom line is to enjoy yourself and have fun.

To John's question about originality vs. perfction, at any significant Concours event (Pebble, Amelia, Meadowbrook, etc.) there will always be a couple of examples that look like they were just pulled from the barn, flaunting/showcasing their originality. We're talking ripped seats, dry rot tires and so on. So, (and I'm speaking not so much about John's 911 but more in general) if your car is not pretty darn perfect (as in a serious restoration), then it better be pretty darn original or you probably won't be leaving the event with any new hardware.

[70SATMan]

Man this car is getting better and better.

I'm only going to suggest one thing (no real surprise what it is)...

The TTG lights you have on right now does not have the correct lense type for that type of light nor do I think that light was even available at that period in time for the car. You would be more period correct with the slightly larger 6" Hella H3 fog or driving light as I believe the 118 was not technically available then. What would really be hot would be the 6" H1 amber fogs in that position. The larger more agressive light would blend better with the purpose of the car which is obvious with those Cibies!

At the very least if you don't have the time to source a different set of lights, I'd suggest changing the lense out for the proper one that would have been on that style of Porsche supplied light.

I would even be willing to loan you a set of lights for the show. The logistics might be tough since I'm working in Hawaii and I don't know yet if I'm going to be back in time to make Historics or the Carmel show. I might be able to sweet talk my wife into digging into "my world" a bit......