Ultimate R thread

[gva-sfo]

Hello Peekaboo,
I think we are now 100% in agreement, somehow I misunderstood one of your post, sorry for that.

Yes, I also think that the D. Thiry car, that was at the beginning mostly white, (the Wissembourg hill climb photo should have been taken in 1970) and that later the car become more green, (i.e.: at the "Grand National" victory. This car (the R), carry the plates 3287 QJ 67, and also IMO, is not the same as the the "Blue" one. Btw, to my eyes, the "Blue one" do not looks like an "R", and note also that it does carry a different plate number, but still in the "Bas Rhin" (it can translate as "Lower Rhine") that is part of a French area called "Alsace".
Like you wrote, my confusion came from the post where you mention “D. Thiry, rallye du Franche Comté” and next to this mention, you have “by 72, D. Thiry had another car…” ..and then come the (very nice) photo, that now, it is all clear, do refers to “rallye du Franche Comté” comment.
Btw, I did not know about this great photo, thanks to have posted it there.

For your info, the “Franche Comté” is another area of France, that touches Alsace and also Switzerland, and includes the Jura department.

Another “hint” : About French license plates, at that time, I remember that painted license plates was very common ..and legal in France !
(I even have seen French plates made using chalkboard..)
So, this is not something special at all. True that today, with Europe, it is not the same anymore.
Also, the last two digits, normally separated in the right side, are the number of the department (State). In France, each department (or parts of a department) have a fixed two digit number, and you mostly use these two numbers like in the USA we use the two letters for the States.
(So you have this way to tell from which department is a license plate).

Back to the R from D. Thiry, at this point there are only guesses that this was 001R. It would be great to have more facts in this assumption.

I also recently understood that 001R is no longer in the USA, but was then in Austria, and now in Switzerland since few days. But, it is true that I do not know if this is the “same” 001R that is known to have been restored in the East coast, ..or another one !!!

For sure, ..more to come !

[gva-sfo]

Peekaboo wrote :

Notice another 911R / pilote Lutz...."Alsacien Lutz , au volant d'une Porsche 911R louée à Wicky". You can see it has a Swiss plate : louée à Wicky / 'Leased to Wicky' (i'm not sure if this is a mistake by the author, and should actually be leased FROM Wicky. With the Swiss plate I would assume so. And I see Wicky on the front fender).

This is also a very interesting post !

First, to make it easy, when you say “louée”, it is not “leased” (I made myself this mistake in the past, in the other direction a few times..). The French verbe “louer” means “to rent”.
I agree that "louee a" could feel wrong, this is not perfect french, but, It could mean "rented at..", yes, it is confusing.
André Wicky, beside being a driver, was also a car dealer, specialist in performance cars and did rented race cars at many drivers, so this should explain this rented car.
(By the way, there is an entire topic about André Wicky (he is still alive) in Autodiva, with pictures and a lot of stories about him.)

Now, is this red car an R or not ? Very often, I had questioned myself about this, but, ..never found a firm and good response yet.

[peekaboo]

gva-sfo,

When I enlarge that page of the 1970 Echappement report of Ronde Alsace-Vosges. As I said , I can swear I see pivot type door wing windows on the Wicky car (do you have a better side photo of this car ? showing side windows . Or even better , one showing the passenger side to see a possible oil tank door ?) . If it does have pivot wing windows. Or does not have an oil tank door. Then it is probably not a factory built 911R.

A forum member here knows Monsieur Wicky, maybe he can ask him sometime.

PS - do you have a passenger side photo of the 70-71 Thiry 911R Type , to see an oil tank door ?

[gva-sfo]

I have this one, sorry, ..wrong side !!! ..and wrong owner, you wrote Thiry, ..not Wicky. (I bet you know it already.)



If this is an R, ..the next question would be, which one it is ????

[peekaboo]

Nice shot thank you

No , I didn't type the wrong name. I think it would be productive to see period photos clearly showing the side windows and body passenger qtr. panel of Both cars. One should not assume anything.


Your last photo is of Criterium Alpin , what year / crew ?

[gva-sfo]

Sorry, wrong name was a self comment to me, not to you!.
You asked for a right side view of Thiry's car, ..and I posted a (above) the left side of Wicky's car ! (..so the comment for this photo was "wrong side, wrong name".

But questionning, is the car of André Wicky an R or not ?????

And, still up : Was Dominique Thiry car's 001R ?

[peekaboo]

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Here is somethjing I just noticed . I do not know if this is any kind of tell tail sign / clue of anything factory vs. private built. But I was just looking through photos of rearends of 911R type cars.

In the photo of Thiry above at 1970 Wissembourg . It looks (?) to have the T-grab decklid small rubber tie downs (or at least nothing as long as the type below) . Look here at Chasseuil's 911R at 1968 Cevennes. It uses a completely differant rubber fastener. And this seems to be a factory 911R as the rear vented plexi Qtr. windows are present , along with the rear oil tank access.

I have included a 2nd following photo that shows this type of tie-down even more clearly. Robert Barret 1969 Rallye de Printemps , of which he was the vainqueur.

As far as I know this car is a factory 911R. And since these are 1968 & 1969 photos. Not much time had transpired to have had pieces changed out.

I don't have any rear end photos (I don't think , I will look again) , of known 911R's to know what type were used by the factory ?

[peekaboo]

I have one other . 1969 Targa Florio / Toivonen - Spoerry. So I don't know which is more correct. I quess the shorter T-handle type ?

[gva-sfo]

For whatever reason, I cannot see the photo above (got a "red X")
But, per your writing, in the 1969 Targa Florio, the 911R driven by D. Spoerry and P. Toivonen, (DNF), should be the one with the race number 240 and the lic. plate S-K 2403. This car was light ivory with red stripes on the front hood, to my knowledge, this should be (the famous) #005R.

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