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    Aero developments on RSR's

    As we know aero work on cars was in its infancy in the late 60's / early 70's, even in "formula cars", and a lot of the things tried then look strange and crude by today's standards.

    We also know that the 1973 RSR's, especially the factory R cars of the Martini team, were rolling test beds for the whole season as the racing effort switched from the prototypes to the production based cars.

    Looking at the development of these cars from the Tour de Corse in late 1972 to the use of R7 in a Cam Am race against the best of the can am prototype cars less than a year later is a fascinating exercise and shows a level of development both from and engineering and aero point of view that would be hard to match in any other similar period of time in any other racing class.

    I thought it would be good to have a thread on the aero developments during that time, from the emergence of the ducktail at the TdC (although the Strahle car had versions of it at the Osterreichring 1000Kms in July 1972) through the "Mary Stuart" and wide tail development of April / May 1973 (necessitated by increasingly wide rear wheels top take advantage of power increases and the search for increased corner speed) to the various "long tail" configurations that started at the 1973 Osterreichring 1000Kms in June, only 12 months after the original Strahle car, and probably culminated with the "Moby Dick" cars some years later.

    But it was not only the rear of the car that underwent the development changes. As we know all to well now any change to the rear must be matched with an appropriate change at the front of the car. The exercise in learning about that process can be also seen by following the configuration changes that occurred even within race meetings. These included trying different types of front spoilers to trying different mixes of front and rear spoilers and probably different combinations for different track types (known now as low or high downforce tracks).

    To start off this thread I thought I would show the various combinations of front spoilers and brake cooling ducts used in one car (R5) in the ADAC 1000 Kilometres, at the Nürburgring on 27 May 1973.

    (In this race the other team car (R7) was running an enhanced version of a wide body which it first ran at Spa a couple of weeks before but here seemed to be playing with front aero to balance out the impact of the wide rear end, at least compared to the Spa outing)

    Nikolay sent me a picture of the car (66) that I had not seen before and that sparked my interest in doing this thread.

    The first picture shows the car at the previous race, Spa with a "normal" front spoiler for an RSR.

    The next shows it in practice at Nurburbring; car 66 (identified by the "straight" numbers on the front bonnet as the race version has them at an angle). The configuration is the same as Spa.

    Then there is the picture Nikolay sent - with brake ducts hanging under the spoiler.

    Following that is another practice shot with an extended spoiler hanging down to cover the brake ducts (similar to the extensions used in the le mans test earlier in the year and on the wid body sister car at the same race)

    Finally there is the final version used - the race version with the smaller spoiler but with brake ducts cut into it rather than hanging underneath.
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    Another car, R7, shows most of the evolutionary aero stages in its 4 months of competitive life in 1973, starting with the Le Mans practice on 1 April and ending with the Watkins Glen Can Am race and 6 hour race in July 1973.

    The first photo shows it at Le Mans practice on 1 April as car#62 for Gijs van Lennep/Herbert Mueller just a couple of weeks after it was built. It is almost stock RSR with the only obvious body difference the extended lip on the front spoiler. This was possibly due to the high speeds at Le Mans especially in the straights, but it was not the first use of this as the extended lip on the spoiler had been used at the 6 hour race at Vallelunga on 25 March 1973 by two of the sister cars.

    The second photo shows it at Spa as car # 41 again for Gijs van Lennep /Herbert Mueller on May 6. By this time it had grown wider rear flares and an integrated mary stuart rear wing. This was after the Mary Stuart tail was used at Monza but before it was used at the Targa Florio.

    I believe the original tests that developed that tail came at the December 1972 Paul Ricard sessions although they were not confirmed by wind tunnel tests until after Le Mans. At Spa the car had lost the extended front spoiler despite the fact that the extra wing had been added to the rear. The sister car at Spa, R5, ran with a stock tail and front spoiler as shown in the post above.

    The third photo show R7 again for Gijs van Lennep/Herbert Mueller at 1000 km Nürburgring on 27 May 1973. By this time the tail looks wider than at Spa, as do the wheels which are now centre lock instead of 5 stud one, and it has a new design front spoiler with a larger area for the oil cooler and brake ducts integrated in the spoiler.

    the fourth photo shows it at Le Mans on 10 June again for Gijs van Lennep /Herbert Mueller (who were the factory team drivers for the whole of 1973 with the second car at each race being driven by drivers contracted for that race only). At Le Mans the car looks the same aero wise as it did at Nurburgring a couple of weeks before, perhaps not surprising given the time frame, the importance of the Le Mans race, and the fact that it had done well at Nurburgring, only beaten by 4 prototype cars.

    edit: I just re read Singers book where he states (pp60) that at Nurburgring they ran 15 inch rear wheels and at Le Mans they were running "narrower" 12 inch wheels on both cars.

    The fifth photo shows it on the 26th of June at the Austrian 1000 Kilometres at the Österreichring, a year after the first RSR prototype had made its test debut and tested different rear tail configurations there disguised as a Strahle entry. By this time R7 had a revised front spoiler but the rear looked the same as at Nurburgring.

    Given there are only 5 photos able to be loaded in any post the next photos are in the next post

    They show R7 at the Watkins Glen 6 hour on 21 July (car #59) and the Can Am race there on 22 July (car #58). By this time it had grown a "long tail" but seems to have retained the Austrian version of the front spoiler.

    The car was sold into private hands after that, ending a short but spectacular career as a rolling test bed for the factory team.

    The last photos show it at Le Mans in June 1974, still basically in the same longtail configuration as it had been almost 12 months earlier at Watkins Glen, and for reference the Strahle car from July 1972, where two early versions of the duck tail were first trialed.
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    the rest of the photos from the previous post
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    Raj

    I have a list of "R" cars and the races I think they ran in in 1973. It is culled from various versions of the records of races and from sources such as Singers book and other direct sources as well as observation of distinctive features of some cars, as well as a lot of posts here on this board and separate conversations with various board members.

    It is NOT consistent with the published race reports and entry lists for some races, but after a lot of work I think that it is more accurate.

    I have just added the class that each car was in to the list, in response to your post above, but again it was only from a couple of sources and not fully cross checked.

    However here it is. I would be interested if anyone has different, verifiable information.... Gib?, Jim C?

    1972
    Nov 1972 1972 Tour de Corse
    R1 Car #6 Waldegaard DNF Group 5 (prototype)
    R2 Car #2 Larrousse DNF Group 5 (prototype)

    December 1972 Paul Ricard test track
    R2 Larrousse

    1973
    3-4 February 1973 Daytona 24 hours
    R3 Car #6 (Donohue/Follmer) DNF S3.0 (prototype)
    R4 Car #59 (Gregg/Haywood) 1st S3.0 (prototype)

    25 March 1973 - Vallelunga (I):
    R5 Car #8 8th (Muller/van Lennep) GT
    R6 Car #9 7th (Follmer/Kauhsen) GT

    1 April 1973 Le Mans test
    And Le Mans 4 hour race
    R2 Car #61 Manfred Schurti / Helmuth Koinigg; Grand Touring 3000 (GT3.0)
    R7 Car #62 (van Lennep/Mueller) Sports 3000 (S3.0)

    15 April 1973 - Dijon-Prenois (F):
    R5 Car #26 9th (Muller/van Lennep) GT

    25 April 1973 - Monza (I):
    R6 Car #81 DNF (Muller/van Lennep), entered GT3.0 / raced S3.0
    R8 Car #82 DNF (Follmer/Schurti). Entered GT3.0 / raced S3.0

    6 May 1973 - Spa-Francorchamps (B):
    R5 Car #40 10th (Follmer /Jöst) GT
    R7 Car #41; 5th (Muller/van Lennep) S3.0

    13 May 1973 - Madonie (I): Targa Florio
    R2 Car# 9 Leo Kinnunen / Claude Haldi 3rd S3.0
    R6 Car #8 (Muller/van Lennep), 1st S3.0
    RS 002 Car #107; Steckkönig / Pucci 6th S3.0
    R8 Car #107 (Steckkönig / Pucci) destroyed in practice GT+2.0

    27 May 1973 - Nürburgring (D):
    R5 Car #66; DNF (Follmer/Kauhsen). GT+1.6
    R7 Car #6; 5th (van Lennep / Müller) S3.0

    9-10 June 1973 - Le Mans (F):
    R2 Car #48 14th.Gregg / Chasseuil GT3.0
    R6 Car #47 DNF (Haldi/Joest) S3.0
    R7 Car #46 (van Lennep / Müller) S3.0

    24 June 1973 - Österreichring (A):
    R6 Car #7; 8th (Muller/van Lennep), S3.0
    R7 Car #8; 9th (Koinigg / Schurti) S3.0

    21 July 1973 - Watkins Glen (USA):
    R6 Car #6; 6th (Donohue/Follmer). S3.0
    R7 Car#59; 7th (Gregg / Haywood) S3.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by HughH View Post
    Then there is the picture Nikolay sent - with brake ducts hanging under the spoiler.

    Following that is another practice shot with an extended spoiler hanging down to cover the brake ducts (similar to the extensions used in the le mans test earlier in the year and on the wid body sister car at the same race)
    Maybe that configuration (shown in Nikolay picture) is due to a crash with a hairpin and the car lost the piece that the following picture shows.
    Just an idea, sometimes when cornering and hit the hairpin that lip suffer
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVSER View Post
    Maybe that configuration (shown in Nikolay picture) is due to a crash with a hairpin and the car lost the piece that the following picture shows.
    Just an idea, sometimes when cornering and hit the hairpin that lip suffer
    you may be correct but if you look at how the brake ducts are attached to the original spoiler in that photo they seem to be attached relatively high at the front of the original part of the spoiler with mounting tabs that do not appear to be present in the photo below which has the full deep spoiler
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    Hello,

    What is the Norbert Singer book you refer to? I am curious to know more about the technical development of the 911RSR and may want to acquire a copy of that book.

    Thank You.
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    it is 24:16, le mans 24 hours: 16 wins with Porsche

    here is a reference to it (not affiliated)
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    Thank you very much.
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