90s R Gruppe 911

[pu911rsr]

Epic drive and car, congrats!

Phil

[Bermudez]

Me. There is already a dialogue among independent shop owners about how we're going to keep these cars going in the future.

FWIW, the 996 GT3 is the last "simple" Porsche to leave Stuttgart.

Mark is not going to share anything with you! Marco you should know better than that!

[Type911]

Bruce,
Awesome photos! So glad you are enjoying HK, the car definitely went to the right home. You picked a stellar weekend to drive thru the mountains over all those great passes, everything worked perfectly.

A few shots from my last drive piloting HK up Coal Bank Pass. Final photo is Molas Pass elev. 10,910 ft., near where Amy took the scenic photo.
We had a great time that day escorting Bruce and Amy thru the mountains with a GT3, and Ducati 916 SPS, the Porsche god's were smiling.

Cheers Bruce !

[sithot]

First-of-all ----- way to go, Chris! Old Porsches --- and not-so-old ones . . . all have their charms

But those GT3s? . . . spectacular. Only water-cooled Porsche I'd ever own

Yup
Stupid-simple electronics: ECU + ABS --- + that's about it. I'm not counting the radio 'cause I'd take the stupid thing out. 'Prolly the AC w/ it. Car even has a mechanical diff

Correct. ECU and ABS and mechanical differential which can be the Achilles heel if you race it. Guys I know who do track them have installed a Guard LSD without any pomp and circumstance. The car does have climate control but they've had that for years going back to the 80's and SC's as well.

It is a simple car compared to anything currently produced by Porsche. Porsche will never produce a street car like this again as the liability is too great.

You now have to have bells and whistles to save people from themselves.



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[RSTarga]

Me. There is already a dialogue among independent shop owners about how we're going to keep these cars going in the future.

FWIW, the 996 GT3 is the last "simple" Porsche to leave Stuttgart.

I had the honor of paying the factory close to 4k for an ez69. It is pot metaled in and unrebuildable. How many more of the electronic modules are the same?

[sithot]

We are surrounded by brilliant people hell-bent on making these cars better (after the fact). I'm quite sure there will be fixes down the road if not now.

A while ago you couldn't buy sheet metal for old cars like the 356. Now it's available and what isn't can be made by any number of craftsmen. It's cool! It's a great time to own an old car.

Tom

[Bermudez]

The 996 GT3 and 996 Cup both have a lower roll center due to the design of the uprights and subframe, both of which were later redesigned in the 997 generation cars, this would make the 996 fundamentally inferior to the 997 in terms of driving dynamics. The 996 is rougher as described above but this was in part due to the higher spring rates used to compensate for the lower roll center… Unfortunately the by product of higher spring rates is a loss of grip, as the car has a greater tendency to skip.

We can go on about the traction control and the headlights until the cows come home, and while the absence of traction control is certainly a plus on the track, its difficult to overlook the inferior suspension geometry. Now this is not to say the 996 is not fun to drive, its shortcomings make it really entertaining much in the same way the early cars are a blast to drive.

With that being said the early 996 GT3 Cup cars are for all intents and purposes a gutted and caged 996GT3 street car . The same cannot be said for the 997, as the cup variant has a sequential that is obviously not in the street car. So with that in mind one could say that the 996 is a more faithful rendering if its Cup Car sibling and therefore a truer expression of a factory race car. But is it better? Well thats a matter of opinion...

[Mr9146]

Mark is not going to share anything with you! Marco you should know better than that!

Mark isn't the only game in town. And, for the record, I think he actually likes me...a little bit.

[Flieger]

I don't see any reason why a low roll center in itself is a bad thing, as long as you are not below ground. It's generally considered to be easier on the tires for one thing, and it keeps the cg lower since you have less jacking. It gives more room to tune the roll stiffness for rain or other factors. Now if the low roll center is combined with poor camber change or is wildly different to the rear or changes wildly or something like that then the net effect could be bad, but normally a low roll center is a good thing if you ask me.

That said, unless you are in a series with a spec tire like F1 then you can generally work around any roll center. 550 Spyders had a ground-level roll center front (trailing arms) and a very high roll center in back (swing axles) yet they built the reputation of Porsche as giant-killers.

[Chris Tallon]

Great drive, great car, congrats Bruce!! Chris is a fantastic Porsche guy, you scored.

I now have garage envy, Thanks a lot!!!!

The 996 GT3 is the car to buy now IMHO. It does not disappoint and is just a pure example, warts and all, of what makes Porsche great. It's a wild child, and I love it.