Porsche 911L 1968 901/30 Racing-Rally

[Flunder]

Raj; Thanks for posting all the documents. Is that a '68 door handle on the red number 5 car? Tom

[Thomas lundeval]

Hallo Raj,

The photo of the engine are from Waldegard 911 (B 34880) in 1967 as he competed in 1967. The engine was built by Porsche mechanics on Scania Vabis rally team and had more hp than the orignal 130 hp. It was not the 911L, which he had 1968. The second photo is Helmer, who stands at Waldegard 911L 1968 at a service in the Gulf-London Rally 1968. Behind stands Lars Nyströms 911L and it is Nyströms co-driver standing next to Helmer.

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Photo from Porsche rally team in Scania-Vabis garage in Södertälje Sweden.

[peekaboo]

I'm slightly confused by one of the motor terms in those pages raj posted, explaining motors , and modifications.

So is the "2000R" motor refered to in the pages just posted (thread page 6), a 2000 'rally' motor ? Not a 906 / 911R type motor ? As the pages are refering to running it 40 IDS webers:

"Externally the 2000 R motor ..... it has a black shroud ......and Webers carburetors of the type 40 IDS" .

Didn't the 911R's use 46mm webers ? Or not always. Specifically noted on the 'INCREASING ENGINE PERFORMANCE' sheets, on a couple pages prior of this thread (thread page 4).

It states there : "Carburators type 46 - IDA 3C / 3C 1 (standard equipment on 911R)" . So this is a bit confusing ?

Is the "2000 R" motor a 911R spec motor ? And this just means a "2000 R" motor , could be being used in this referance cas meaning all but the 46mm webers and accompanying intakes ?

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And regarding the referance by Bantam , about competitors entering their own model type . This might be true. But...

....even though it's 1969 , here's an example of what i'm speaking of .....

(I'm moving this to) :

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-Rennen-models

[Flunder]

peekaboo: The 2000R equates to a single ignition 901/30 with 40IDS whilst the 911R designation equates to a twin ignition 901/22 with 46IDA. The distinction is that a 2000R was a rally motor built with a combination of production car bits whilst the 911R was essentially a 906 full race motor using mostly special race parts. Hope this clears it up.

[Thomas lundeval]

Found this information on one old thread from 2008 on Early 911S Registry.

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[Thomas lundeval]

Raj

Here is the thread.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...read.php?50203

Thomas

[Rennman]

They were lighter. Porsche did not undercoat or use any sound deadening pads on these cars. No rear jumpseats or radio. Bucket seats were lighter too...

Don

[70SATMan]

My question was indirect did the 68 ROW L have less coating-but more importantly i would assume all chassis were without any type of coating and these cars had no coating applied or did they all have coatings and these cars had them removed in the production process and the ROW L had less coating and that is why they were used ???What if any production differences in the chassis are there between euro 911L and US 911L


with rally opt came with delete but otherwise could be spec'ed spearate.

raj

Well, the sidelights and smog pumps come to mind as well for the US L vs the ROW L. I rather guess the homologation was not entirely model name specific but, specific in chassis/model differences which the US and ROW 911Ls definitely had. This would account for the distinct chassis VINs used.

[Flunder]

I always thought that the guys going Sedan racing in the Trans Am Series got the 911L while the sports car guys racing in SCCA C Production received the 911T and 911S. There was of course some cross pollenization as time wore on post-1968.

[Chuck Miller]

This is a GREAT thread....

The cars with their VINs you can historically account for is one thing (and great)

However, once they started competing here in the States Tom has a point.......

The SCCA had everything to do with how and what you entered in a class. And as was said, '68 was one of the most transitional...(read weird and arbitrary)

In '66 a 911 would run in D-Production. Jerry Titus won many races in Vasek's first racing 911.

In '67 911's and 911S's were up'ed (appropriately) to C-Production or B-Sedan (strange call) Davey Jordan won the championship in Vasek's first C-Production 911S.

In '68 911's, 911S's, and 911L's, ran in C-Production, B-Sedan (for the last year) and 2.0 TransAm.

Even the method SCCA classed cars wasn't consistent; sometimes using engine size to weight, engine power to weight, engine efficiency to weight, body style... and of course reserving the right to disqualify a car's eligibility on general (read political) purposes.

I don't remember VIN's being checked in all this classing...
I would suspect there was some equipment, weights, and even badges that got shifted around...