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Thread: Race / rally colours for cars in 1969 onwards - Red & White?

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    Race / rally colours for cars in 1969 onwards - Red & White?

    Hello,

    This is a long shot but after spending some time looking at my car I've noticed my rear deck lid, front and rear bumpers are red underneath the light ivory, I also have the factory light ivory underneath the
    Red?

    Why would someone spray just the bumpers and rear deck lid red?

    My car was from SA and was told it may have some kind of Motorsport history as it was not registered in the uk and spent all it's life in South Africa, the car was supplied by Rob Walker uk, would this point to a privateer car and painted In some kind of red and white colour scheme?

    Does anyone know of any cars in the late 60's / early 70's that had a white body with red bumpers and
    Red Rear deck lid.... Any race/ rally teams?

    Maybe I'm Mad...who knows...

    Lee

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    Post the VIN and let's see what the board can surmise...
    Peter Kane

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    119100008.

    Cheers lee

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    Well, that would be one of the very first production T's of 69. The factory car which won the Nurburgring 24 in late 68 was 119300009. If it was a rallye car, that SN would make sense.
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    Thank you.... How do I explore further with trying to find out if this is correct.
    I have no clue how to research, is there a specific person on the registry who can help....

    Cheers lee

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    This information was in Road & Track in March, 1960, but might be of interest here.

    THE COLOR IN RACING


    REFERENCES are often made, in R&T, to the "red" cars
    from Ferrari or Maserati, the "green" cars from
    Vanwall, Aston Martin or Jaguar and the "white" or "sil-
    ver" cars from Mercedes-Benz.
    These are not arbitrary colors picked by each construc-
    tor for his cars (except in the case of strictly national,
    local or club competition, where anything goes), but are
    the result of a decision reached in the early days of racing.
    Cars were, and still are, distinguishable by assigned num-
    bers, but further separation (prompted no doubt by na-
    tionalistic feelings) was felt desirable. This is why racing
    cars from Italy are red, the cars from England are green
    and the cars from Germany are white (or sometimes sil-
    ver-the result of leaving the aluminum body unpainted).
    A private owner will generally paint his car in the
    color(s) of his own country, rather than the manufactur-
    er's. According to the C.S.I. of the F.I.A., "The use of
    distinctive colors of nationality is compulsory when the
    supplementary regulations of the competition require it.
    These colors are determined by the nationality of the
    competitor." So, a Ferrari owned by an Englishman
    would be painted green, even though it was an Italian car.
    Thus, it has become a tradition for racing cars to be
    painted in the colors of the entrant, although they are oc-
    casionally seen with minor variations. Mercedes, for ex-
    ample, honored Englishman Richard Seaman, who was a
    Mercedes team driver, with a green border around the
    grille opening of his car. The shrewd Germans had also
    noted that this would allow quick identification if Seaman
    and one of the other Mercedes drivers (who would be in
    identical cars) chanced to pass rapidly by the pits at the
    same time.
    Because these colors were assigned during the days
    when racing cars possessed chassis that were visible be-
    neath the body, many countries have a combination of
    colors: one for the body, one for the, chassis and some-
    times another for some other part, such as the wheels or
    hood. This presented a problem when streamlining came
    into fashion and the chassis disappeared from sight. As a
    consequence, the color formerly allotted to the chassis is
    now applied in the form of stripes or other trim over the
    color assigned to the body by the Code Sportif Interna-
    tional of the Federation Internationale de L'Automobile.
    To further simplify (or complicate) matters, green, the
    color assigned to the British Empire, is used as a basis for
    all cars from England and its possessions. The common-
    wealth countries use green as a body color with other
    colors, at their choice, as stripes. Canada, for example,
    uses two white stripes 4 in. wide, one on each side of the
    car's centerline and 6 in. apart.
    British racing green, to dispel some of the arguments,
    is not any particular shade of green, but Napier green is
    preferred. Stirling Moss drove a light sea-green BRM in
    the 1959 French Grand Prix. This was quite contrary to
    the accepted general opinion of what constitutes "British
    Racing Green" but was, nevertheless, acceptable.
    The color applied to a racing car has also had its share
    of side effects. For many years U.S. drivers would not
    drive in, or in competition with, cars painted any shade
    of green; they believed the color to be unlucky. This has
    diminished in recent years, especially since the advent of
    more British international competition.
    The chart lists the racing colors of each country as as-
    signed by the C.S.I. The car number and its background
    color, a necessary aid to identity, are made to contrast as
    as much as possible to aid race officials and lap scorers.
    Colors assigned to chassis or underframe in the chart are
    now applied to stripes or trim.


    COUNTRY..........COLORS OF CAR...........NUMBERS
    Argentina..........Body: blue..................red on white
    ......................Hood: yellow
    ......................Chassis: black

    Belgium............Body: yellow................black

    Brazil...............Body: pale yellow...........black
    .....................Chassis and wheels:green

    Bulgaria...........Body: green...................red
    .....................Hood: white

    Canada...........Body: green...................white
    .....................Stripes: white

    Chile...............Body: red......................half blue-
    ......................Hood: blue....................half red or
    ......................Underframe: white.........all red on white

    Cuba...............Body: yellow.................white on black
    ......................Hood: black

    Czecho-...........Body: white..................blue
    slovakia............Hood: blue and white
    ......................Underframe: red

    Egypt..............Pale violet.....................red on white

    Finland.............Black......................... ..blue on white

    France.............Blue........................... .white

    Germany...........White..........................r ed

    Great...............Green......................... .white
    Britain

    Holland.............Orange........................ white

    Hungary...........Body, front: white..........black
    ......................Body, rear: green
    ......................Hood: red

    Irish Free.........Green with horizontal.......white
    State..............band of orange around body

    Italy................Red.......................... ....white

    Luxembourg.......Pearlgray......................wh ite on red

    Mexico..............Gold.......................... ...white on black

    Monaco............White with red hori-.........black on white
    ......................zontal band around
    ......................body

    Poland..............Body and hood: white.......red
    ......................Underframe: red

    Portugal...........Body and hood: red...........white
    ......................Underframe: white

    Scotland...........Green.......................... ...white

    South...............Body: Gold......................black on white
    Africa...............Hood: green

    Spain...............Hood: yellow....................black on yellow
    ......................Body and chassis: red........white on red

    Sweden............Body and hood, lower.........white
    ......................part:blue-upper:yellow
    ......................Three cross bands of
    ......................blue on top of hood

    Switzerland.......Hood: white......................black
    ......................Body and underframe: red

    Thailand...........Body and hood:..................white on blue
    ......................pale blue with yellow
    ......................horizontal band around
    ......................body and hood
    ......................Wheels: pale yellow

    United..............Body and hood: white..........blue on white
    States..............Underframe: blue

    Venezuela..........Body: white
    .......................Stripe:green

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    thanks for the info.....cheers Lee

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    You may have just won the lottery. Make sure that you document all of this with really quality color pictures. If it is a rally car you're going to need proof. You have gone from restoration to archeology at this point.

    Richard Newton

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    thanks Richard,

    I have a guy trying to get details on the car, I currently have one south african registration dating back to 2000 but can assure you
    there are more, If I can trace the old registrations it will open the doors to history, according to this guy SA hold archives for the car
    but I need to wait until they are pulled from the file..... how longs a piece of string?

    I need a lucky break.... Lee

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