POLL/Cars + Panel Numbers

[LongRanger]

Came across this a few months back . . . now just getting around to posting a poll . . .

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ocations/page2


Turns out that long wheel-base Karmann-built bodies have two-digit ID numbers stamped on some parts of them --- at least on the tops of inner door panel stampings, and on the stiffener underneath/inside the rear deck lid --- whether the lid be steel or alu

These two-digit numbers seem to match-up w/ the 'tunnel' number . . . the one stamped into the edge of the access port for the shift coupler, at the rear of the passenger compartment

Karmann-built cars have a '2' in the 6th-position of their VIN . . . but this poll is not specific to any type or model . . . just long wheel-base cars built from '69 on. According to the Red Book, Karmann only built coupe bodies --- 'T's + 'E's in '70, then 'T's only after. But --- that doesn't mean a non-Karmann-built car doesn't have this stuff

(I got started on this whole subject because I installed an alu lid w/ a 2-digit number stamped on it --- on an 'S' car, so . . .)

Not sure when this practice started --- or stopped . . . but this stuff's turned-up on early '70s cars, so . . .

Anyway, here's a poll . . .

[LongRanger]

Bump . . .

[merbesfield]

My 65/66 has stamped fenders, doors and engine lid.

[LongRanger]

Bump . . . .

[StephenAcworth]

So my car is not Karmann built and the headlight buckets have the three digit number stamped on them, as does one door. The other door has a two digit number stamped... 90 ... does this indicate that it was taken from a Karmann car at a later date? I have an invoice that shows work was done on the door in the early 1970s... perhaps the door was changed out?

[M_deJong]

The location of the number looks different. Mine is in the same place as Rick's at the very top of the door.

[LongRanger]

Porsche seems to have continued the practice of stamping identification numbers on some of the major panels of its cars --- as seen on the 356 . . . up through the SWB 911 cars . . . then stopped --- not sure when

As for Karmann . . . they seem to have continued stamping numbers up thru production of their 'C' + 'D' program (Aug '69 to Jul '71) cars --- LWB . . . possibly, even later . . .

. . . hence the poll


Short Version:

On a short-wheel-base car, I would not be surprised to see numbers --- 2-digit? . . . stamped on doors, headlight buckets, hoods + engine covers

But, on a long-wheel-base car, I would be surprised to see any numbers stamped, on any major panels . . .

. . . unless it was a Karmann-built car --- as identified by VIN


HtH

[LongRanger]

Here's an interesting thread --- a '70 T being by Enrico (Herbie) restored in Italy . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ation-in-Italy

. . . w/ 3-digit (!) ID numbers stamped on a body-panel

Not sure if this is a Karmann-built car or not. Either way, more details forthcoming, hopefully . . .

[LongRanger]

. . . more details forthcoming, hopefully . . .

K-OK --- took me 4 years, but . . .

. . . These are the last 3 digits of the production number on the doors, while on the dashboard and on the tunnel (beside the gearbox "hole"), the production number is complete. This car is a Karmann . . .

.......

[MAH]

My 69 E, Karmann built, has 20 stamped on the engine lid stiffener.