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  1. #1571
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    Matching numbers and documentation are no problem.

    This is the Wild West of the car market. Some of the cars I've sold have had a completely new, and fully documented, history created.

    Years ago I worked with Tom Hoving and the Metropolitan in NYC. Tom estimated at 40% of the art hanging on walls around the world was fake.

    A few decades back when the FIA checked up on vintage racers in Europe that held FIA Heritage Certificates the discovered that at least half the cars were fakes. That's when they got out of the certification business.

    Richard Newton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardnew View Post
    Matching numbers and documentation are no problem.
    This is the Wild West of the car market. Some of the cars I've sold have had a completely new, and fully documented, history created.
    Richard Newton
    Tongue in cheek?
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    Only a little bit. The car is question was an F3 car that was raced in Europe. After I sold it, and a few years passed, it became an F2 car with a new history.

    As far as re-stamps go that's a cottage industry.

    If you notice we now have two categories of cars:

    -Original Cars
    -Matching Number Cars

    Think back to your Symbolic Logic class in college.

    An Original Car will have Matching Numbers. A car with Matching Numbers though may not necessarily be an Original Car.

    Richard

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    Back further even than that, to grade school: Original cars (with matching numbers) are a subset of all cars with matching numbers.
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    In the past 15 yrs there has been at least 2 Peter Gregg # 59 cars that have been in question.
    Boyd Coddington, "American Hot Rod " , was busted by the Feds for playing with numbers on a few A/C Cobras. That was just before he died.

    Brian

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    I guess now I am really lost.

    An original car can be matching numbers with falsified documents thus this 67S can be a $300,000 car.
    The bottom line to me is this car is in very rough condition and not worth $75,000 ask.
    86 Sport Purpose Carrera "O4"

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    Don't mind us. We're just two old guys rambling here.

    Richard Newton

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    Bottom line is with sufficient economic incentive one can create an appearance and supporting documentation of a matching number car - this has been going on for years. It has only been in the last 5-7 years that there has been sufficient incentive to do this with an early 911. It has always been a bit of a mystery to me why the 911 market is willing to pay such a substantial premium for a matching number car but it does. Lousy forgeries are easy to detect - really good ones almost impossible.
    Caveat Emptor!

    Phil
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    '67 911S softwindow .. no affiliation..

    http://www.ebay.de/itm/162340809326

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    We have a new candidate for the leader board.

    BHCC has been dethroned.

    Price must be a typo.

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